From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 18:49:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35494"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 18 20:50:37 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qX4YP-00094f-8h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:50:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX4XT-0007DA-DC; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX4XS-0007D1-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:49:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX4XP-0001Cw-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 14:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1165240028 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:49:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692384573; bh=7EpBzsd896xdHqb157dPpxXewBo5YgYVpkRR6PUc1Ls=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=T+vFIbCPBxTLsGQmjqJxDc1H1hTrEUm38QIlsz29HjlTs4dd1KKg340gJ/w4aa6D6 UEzTqUkybVCRjQSBXbCUAunXfgMQKMez1l2lIvZI2sUITgzWpYgVLilG0Yt23qQytJ 5e2nbRVKhypcGT7BeELVvmR94yz5Bk1TWLLddrUD8fwKiAgplbpxkTQ7h1jQ3mDyPk FmqpzyQidvB6dU5cz04gIACMSPVg51atobFet1Y6h4Aowzbix+2cTBWvOUibUrGXZx Wz32Il5Jp55YEEk3fIqAPV7NLz2T8mpZrCFMw6P89+OMlUtuCE2SUpQg3ryfsVDU94 CDlysd6ttYlvw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RS9s82k6Dz9rxN; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 20:49:32 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308899 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > You are comparing negligibly small numbers of contributions, so any > conclusions from such comparison are questionable at best. > My personal conclusion is that Emacs developers don't contribute too > much to Org's documentation because Emacs developers who are used to > work on documentation seldom if ever use Org for any significant work. > So they don't have significant changes to contribute, except fixing > typos and markup. I think that I need to clarify about the purpose of my "analysis" (I know that data is not very conclusive, but that all we got). I was looking into the idea that we can get more help from Emacs contributors if we switch the format back from .org to .texi. (Mostly, out of curiosity; and because it was hanging in my TODO list) According to the above, I do not see that we can achieve such goal: 1. Absolute number of contributions to Org manual was never large (not by Org-only contrubutors) 2. Relative numbers, although hard to compare, also do not indicate that the switch would be helpful in any way. Having said that, RMS officially asked Org team to work towards allowing Org to become the new GNU documentation standard. https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87bkqx4jyg.fsf@localhost/ So, the above idea was rather theoretical. Unless we disregard RMS request, Org manual will be a good reference template to explore real-life caveats of using .org as the true documentation source. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at