From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Manuel Giraud via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:18:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87leb5vgi1.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> References: <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Manuel Giraud Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10847"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Alan Mackenzie , Dmitry Gutov , =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar , emacs-devel To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 10 15:19:29 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1SM4-0002ah-MZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:19:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1SLJ-0003mu-5R; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:18:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1SLG-0003mU-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:18:38 -0500 Original-Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1SLE-0001na-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:18:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=dME4RwVC AJ3PGxHHsjCvhyJ1I/PuoL8BsyTtogTwDZc=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=fwfzPOI74LrT0to9cMNFDX1CXpte6C rSxs0594yubGEnD1yzwa4IBWK8ilfoXE2tx3jU+Td1ZxugY2Ba0cfJAg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=dME4RwVCAJ3PGxHH sjCvhyJ1I/PuoL8BsyTtogTwDZc=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=0/lvg8rzSZsO6tKmRmTDTFZNpIERzdhdVCsSwk Ucxo/x4/khthN8PZ8yrWSmhyYnvwUZcHUWowYjHTIQwM9/fxj2xwupWYkSd7/Ij26TikbB JGzIeAnMfX8RFxT5SXuo47QyzM1Isgy13o0Hpl5S9mXmSt0Hb8Re5K+YXVEEf/DY8PaUkE 9dtya+misARdNJQKugvr9cP+R2FihUoslxHbQDZx8IJp1swFX97S7oKUgWgrHN5IVGDH1R YKaKg57zkeM+zYFAzfMUevv8QSMvnOEHFlKcls4tGNvUylmrqCLw6FduZ8d/gJWhDGIp4P 6LIIOpDsHE9h/JA0N+opaq7Q== Original-Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 18d5c030 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:18:32 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Fri, 10 Nov 2023 20:52:32 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=51.159.28.247; envelope-from=manuel@ledu-giraud.fr; helo=ledu-giraud.fr X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312492 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: [...] > If it is to these that you apply the moniker "multi-line raw loop choo > choo trains," then they are precisely what should be written more, not > less. Just my 2 cents, but here you have chosen the code for parsing a floating representation which is, of course, full of peculiarities and corner cases. It would not be that much different should it be written in =C2=AB=C2=A0pure=C2=A0=C2=BB CL. But at the other end of the spectrum, there is lots of code which is just: walk through this collection and do "this" if "that". --=20 Manuel Giraud