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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324444 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Johan Myr=C3=A9en >> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 14:09:13 +0300 >>=20 >> I see this more as a documentation problem. Emacs lacks "official" docum= entation on how to configure an >> environment to do certain things, which includes installing certain Elis= p packages, and configuring them. > > My analysis is different. Emacs lacks volunteers who'd sit down and > write documentation on how to configure Emacs for this or that job. I think the problem is different: there are already people who write documentation on how to configure Emacs for tasks. There are also many .emacs.d reppositories. There are awesome Emacs setups out there, much better than what I have. What=E2=80=99s missing is a way to integrate these efforts into Emacs so new users can benefit from them. I don=E2=80=99t know the best way to do that integration, but I think integrating these in some way for new users could help a lot. 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