From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: On committing significant and/or controversial changes (was: My resignation from Emacs development)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 17:26:17 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ldxb9o3q.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zz38jvRRsSi_6C7U@MAC.fritz.box>
Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
> I'm resigning my position as Emacs contributor.
>
> The immediate reason is that, as maintainer of CC Mode, CC Mode's
> symbols, its names, were taken by Emacs and used for other purposes
> without informing me, much less consulting me. That makes my position as
> CC Mode maintainer here untenable.
>
> Eli Zaretskii and I have had extensive discussions, both in public and in
> private email, over the last week or so, but we have been unable to reach
> any satisfactory compromise solution.
> ...
It looks like most of the discussion in the original thread shifted
towards personalities and specific example cases. I would like to create
a new thread that will exclude that part and instead focus on possible
constructive changes that might convince you Alan to re-consider the
resignation.
AFAIU, there are two main issues you are annoyed with:
1. Large changes are _sometimes_ committed without notice or discussion by
Emacs maintainers.
2. When discussing controversial changes, Emacs maintainers _sometimes_
make a judgment call and commit something without making it clear in
the discussion thread that the decision has been made.
Would you re-consider if we somehow solve these issues?
Tentative proposal:
1. Make a rule that non-trivial changes and new features _must_ be
announced on emacs-devel at least a month (or week?) in advance
before committing them, and are only committed if there is no
significant discussion or after the discussion is settled
If no announcement is made, they are reverted (temporarily), the
announcement is made, so that discussion has a chance to happen.
2. Make a rule that judgment calls are clearly indicated. If some change
sparks controversy/discussion and maintainer has to choose among
multiple solutions, such decision should be done in a separate,
clearly marked email, with a link to commit.
WDYT?
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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2024-11-20 15:13 My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-20 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 16:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 6:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 10:05 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 11:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 10:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 12:26 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-20 16:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-20 17:04 ` tomas
2024-11-20 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21 2:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-21 12:34 ` Tree-sitter maturity (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Peter Oliver
2024-11-23 13:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-24 2:10 ` Tree-sitter maturity Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <67428b3d.c80a0220.2f3036.adbdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-17 22:11 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-18 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19 1:40 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-19 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-20 9:13 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <6765355b.c80a0220.1a6b24.3117SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-20 9:29 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-23 0:43 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <6768b256.c80a0220.222b1b.64e6SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2024-12-24 1:20 ` Yuan Fu
[not found] ` <87frmfxm8y.fsf@>
2024-12-24 4:52 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-19 12:23 ` Peter Oliver
2024-12-19 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-19 13:15 ` Vincenzo Pupillo
2024-12-20 8:59 ` Björn Bidar
2024-11-21 13:01 ` My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 13:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 14:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-22 0:01 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 8:14 ` Robert Pluim
2024-11-22 8:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 23:59 ` Po Lu
2024-11-23 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 16:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 5:35 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22 7:24 ` Madhu
2024-11-22 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 9:26 ` Madhu
2024-11-22 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 12:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 13:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 13:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 14:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 17:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-13 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-15 15:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-15 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15 20:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-12-19 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-19 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 22:18 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-22 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 23:19 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-26 19:01 ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-26 19:51 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-27 2:18 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-27 9:36 ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-27 9:59 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-30 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 16:22 ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-30 16:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:06 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 7:26 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-12-03 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 16:21 ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-30 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 19:23 ` Drew Adams
2024-12-03 7:25 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-03 13:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 4:48 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 4:09 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 13:04 ` Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 15:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-05 5:08 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 15:29 ` [External] : Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was My resignation from Emacs development] Drew Adams
2024-11-27 2:06 ` My resignation from Emacs development Adam Porter
2024-11-27 9:17 ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-22 15:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 17:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 23:43 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-11-23 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-23 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 11:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 11:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 12:48 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 23:59 ` Adam Porter
2024-12-01 3:50 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 6:19 ` tomas
2024-11-24 18:12 ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-26 4:56 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 7:38 ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-21 5:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-22 11:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 11:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 10:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-21 19:01 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-21 19:19 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 19:40 ` Jim Porter
2024-11-24 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-21 23:57 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 17:26 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-11-22 17:47 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Ship Mints
2024-11-22 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 2:35 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes Björn Bidar
2024-11-24 4:41 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-30 2:16 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87ttbx73zu.fsf@>
2024-11-24 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 6:10 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-11-23 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
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