From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Possible change to startup.el Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:32:19 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87k6ndkv98.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87fyy3hvxl.fsf@jurta.org> <01c53c28$Blat.v2.4$1bd305e0@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112986021 12938 80.91.229.2 (8 Apr 2005 18:47:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 08 20:46:59 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJyV0-0005GM-OF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:46:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJy4Z-0004Gl-78 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:19:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJy47-00042O-Nr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:18:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DJy44-0003yH-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:18:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DJy42-0003wC-J7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:18:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.100] (helo=MXR-8.estpak.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJyTt-0003Vm-Eo; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-35-210-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.35.210]) by MXR-8.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324B49D8F; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:44:27 +0300 (EEST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <01c53c28$Blat.v2.4$1bd305e0@zahav.net.il> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:44:37 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35774 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35774 > Help->Emacs Tutorial _is_ such a menu item. Type "C-h k" followed by > selecting that menu item, and you will see this in the *Help* buffer: > > runs the command help-with-tutorial > which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `help-fns'. > It is bound to C-h t, t, . > (help-with-tutorial &optional ARG) > > Select the Emacs learn-by-doing tutorial. > If there is a tutorial version written in the language > of the selected language environment, that version is used. > If there's no tutorial in that language, `TUTORIAL' is selected. > With ARG, you are asked to choose which language. > > So I don't understand why Juri says that this is misleading. Juri, > can you explain? I was mislead by the "Emacs Tutorial (choose language)..." menu item. I thought that "Emacs Tutorial" always selects the English tutorial while "Emacs Tutorial (choose language)..." selects a tutorial in any language. The fact that English menu item "Emacs Tutorial" can select a non-English tutorial is misleading too. Ideally the menu item "Emacs Tutorial" should be translated into the same language whose tutorial it selects. This requires support for multi-language menus. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/