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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:48:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k5qze7xe.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IUT3e-0007WT-Q4@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun\, 09 Sep 2007 16\:07\:02 -0400")

>     I would like to have the old behavior back:  if a file name was given
>     on the command line the user definitely wants to edit that file, and
>     so any editing/movement/redraw command should switch to that files
>     buffer immediately.
>
> I changed this because I want beginners to see the splash screen,
> and beginners often have the habit of passing a file name.

Most beginners start Emacs from a menu on modern desktop environments
nowadays.  Beginners that manage to start Emacs from the command line with
a file name are smart enough to figure out where to find the necessary
help.  Due to a good established convention that the Help menu on the
right side of the menu bar contains menu items that help learning the
program, this is how most users get acquainted with a new program.

Furthermore, since now the About screen shares much help information with
the startup screen (links to the Emacs tutorial, Emacs Guided Tour, etc.),
any beginner can now find this information.  So even a very small percent
of beginners started Emacs with a file name will be able to get help.

OTOH, the current behavior is very annoying for all non-beginners.
This is like visiting a Web site where the first page displays a big Flash
screen, and only clicking on a special link proceeds to the main page.
I never visit such sites because this is very annoying.  It's a pity that
Emacs does the same.

In summary, displaying the startup screen when the user requests
to display a file does more harm than good.

>       In case people don't agree on that, the splash
>     screen should at least mention how to enter the buffer.
>
> That is a good point.  We should make this easier.  Maybe typing SPC
> on the splash screen should bury or kill it.  Also, we should say how
> to do this, if we can fit it in.

It is not a question what key is better to type to get rid of the
startup screen.  It is the fact that the user explicitly requested
visiting a file but instead of this Emacs displays the screen that
the user have already seen thousand times.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-09 23:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-09 13:56 New start up splash screen annoyance Sascha Wilde
2007-09-09 14:40 ` Leo
2007-09-09 17:32 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 21:20   ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-09 23:52     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 16:53       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 17:00         ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 18:19           ` Leo
2007-09-11 20:31             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 21:33               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 22:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 17:28         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:31           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 20:57             ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12  2:48               ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  5:44                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-12  5:57                   ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  7:06                     ` dhruva
2007-09-12  7:55                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13  9:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 11:36                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-13  8:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12  7:17                   ` Tramp (was: Folding emacsclient into emacs) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  8:03                     ` Tramp David Kastrup
2007-09-12  8:17                     ` Tramp Michael Albinus
2007-09-12 20:20                   ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Tom Tromey
2007-09-12 20:48                     ` Leo
2007-09-13  6:10                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-09-12 11:17                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:25                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:37                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 15:08                   ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 15:15                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 23:36                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52                   ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 19:08                     ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-13  7:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  7:45                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13  7:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  7:59                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13  8:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  9:04                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 11:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-14  7:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14  8:22                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15  2:09                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15  5:56                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 18:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16  4:08                                 ` dhruva
2007-09-16  7:32                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 10:57                                     ` dhruva
2007-09-16 11:11                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 11:27                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-19 23:45                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20  0:56                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20  1:24                                       ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20  8:50                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 10:12                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 18:34                                           ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-21 12:23                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 16:34                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Davis Herring
2007-09-12  7:02               ` New start up splash screen annoyance Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 14:07                 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12  9:39             ` Johannes Weiner
2007-09-12 12:36               ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-13  7:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  8:21                   ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13  8:24                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13  8:55                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  8:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-13  8:55                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14  7:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 11:12                   ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-14 18:54                   ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-13 23:43                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-14  6:13                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 18:43                     ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-14 20:15                     ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-14 21:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-14 21:38                         ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-15 14:48                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-15 21:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-16  5:34                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14  7:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15  2:09                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15  8:04                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15  8:18                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-16  5:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16  7:25                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17  0:20                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17  5:55                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 22:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18  5:39                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18  9:30                                   ` Leo
2007-09-18 10:01                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 15:00                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-18 15:34                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 16:51                                       ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-19  3:18                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19  5:45                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 16:33                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 13:52                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-19 14:10                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-19 16:33                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-18 20:02                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-18 22:17                                       ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-18 19:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:01                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 22:08                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-19 15:49                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 23:46                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20  0:24                                           ` Leo
2007-09-21 12:23                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 11:16                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-20 14:17                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 15:30                                             ` dhruva
2007-09-20 15:39                                               ` Davis Herring
2007-09-20 15:52                                                 ` Bastien
2007-09-20 15:56                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 15:49                                             ` Bastien
2007-09-21 16:21                                               ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:42                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-21 18:01                                                   ` Sean Sieger
2007-09-21 19:38                                                   ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:46                                                 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-22 11:57                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 17:45                                           ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-20 18:35                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 19:12                                               ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:19                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 20:13                                                   ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 20:22                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 23:57                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21  7:18                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-21 22:34                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:11                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 18:40                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:52                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 19:20                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-22 20:03                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 20:43                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 23:48                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23  0:33                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23  5:39                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23  7:43                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:20                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 22:08                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 17:57                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:30                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:40                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:59                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:25                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 19:45                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26  0:35                                                                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2007-09-26  1:54                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 14:01                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-26 14:05                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 15:18                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 21:56                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 15:10                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:47                                                                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-09-25 19:08                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 20:27                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 16:43                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 22:52                                                                               ` David Reitter
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 18:37                                                                                   ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:14                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 17:58                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:33                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:38                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:37                                                                                         ` David Reitter
2007-09-25 21:03                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26  7:59                                                                                             ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 14:59                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:03                                                                                                 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:15                                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:10                                                                                                 ` echo area clicks: *Messages* David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:49                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 20:40                                                                                   ` New start up splash screen annoyance Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-25 17:57                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:18                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25  5:01                                                                                   ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-25 23:36                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 14:06                                                                           ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 16:44                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 19:33                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-23 20:42                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24  1:16                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24  2:00                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 20:16                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 16:59                                                                             ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:25                                                                               ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:25                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 16:43                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 15:46                                                                             ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-23 16:44                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26  7:03                                                                           ` Didier Verna
2007-09-26 16:29                                                                             ` mode line [X] Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 13:46                                                                       ` New start up splash screen annoyance Didier Verna
2007-09-22 20:01                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23  4:24                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-23  7:50                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 11:22                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 22:33                                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-24  6:03                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 19:00                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:42                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 20:07                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:15                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:54                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:16                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 20:17                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23  9:07                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 20:23                                                     ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:28                                               ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-21 22:33                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:12                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23  9:07                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 11:22                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 21:55                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 23:55                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-25 10:44                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 20:28                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 17:37                                         ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-22 11:57                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 14:59                                     ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-20 16:34                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18  8:15                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-09-16  9:27                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-17 22:03                         ` Davis Herring
2007-09-17 22:43                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-18  5:25                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18  5:43                               ` dhruva
2007-09-15 10:17                     ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 10:40                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 18:55                         ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 22:10                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-17  0:20                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:20                             ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-19 15:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 18:57                         ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-16  4:41                         ` tomas
2007-09-16 20:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-16 22:12                             ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-17  4:04                             ` tomas
2007-09-16  5:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 22:08                     ` Davis Herring
2007-09-13  7:52             ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13  8:03               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14  7:05               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14  7:51                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-14  8:19                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-10 16:53     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 19:09       ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 22:07         ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:10           ` Leo
2007-09-10 23:19             ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:24               ` Leo
2007-09-12  0:40           ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-14  8:11             ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-09 21:27   ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-09 21:44     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-10  1:13     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 23:48   ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2007-10-03 20:18   ` KingBolete
2007-10-04 17:27     ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-08  4:16       ` tomas
2007-10-08 19:16         ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 20:03           ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-10 21:27             ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-10 22:36               ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 (was: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Sven Joachim
2007-11-10 22:43                 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 Juri Linkov
2007-10-09  1:14         ` New start up splash screen annoyance Richard Stallman
2007-10-09  6:39           ` tomas
2007-10-26  5:21             ` tomas
2007-09-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10  2:33   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-10  5:19     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:30       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 23:55     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11  0:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-11  5:47         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12  8:45         ` Richard Stallman

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