From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:04:05 +0900 Message-ID: <87k5j9dmbu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87tzig16o6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87od8ng92x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y77recuj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prt2droq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fxtxeakj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <47FA8145.3010906@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207626895 22206 80.91.229.12 (8 Apr 2008 03:54:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 03:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , Reiner Steib To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 05:55:27 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jj4ve-0007u6-9G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:55:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jj4v1-0005Pm-1j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jj4uw-0005Mj-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jj4ut-0005KG-LC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jj4ut-0005K6-8Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj4us-0007vG-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj4us-0002X8-HI for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj4up-0007um-2x for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj4uk-0007tR-ES; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:54:30 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D639F8004; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:54:28 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 93EBF1A29F3; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:04:05 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <47FA8145.3010906@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 2785829fe37c XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94669 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21937 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman (gmail) writes: > I told earlier that on w32 this works because the bug reporter falls > back to using the system mail program (as an example this in my case > Thunderbird). Why can't this be done on other systems as well today? Primarily because Windows workstations don't provide a mail server, and so if you use mail at all you must configure your mail client to send and receive via an external server, typically managed by professionals in a for-pay service such as your employer or an ISP. If you do not have an ISP, your mail will normally fail in a rather obvious way. Ie, mail works, or you know that it didn't, and you'll try something else. Free OSes *do* usually provide mail servers, and configure clients to communicate with the local mail server. This includes clients like Thunderbird that on Windows you would expect to configure to use a smart host. On the other hand, it's not so easy to use webmail services like Gmail as batch mailers (which is what report-emacs-bug expects), so as far as I know report-emacs-bug doesn't even try to use those. In the past (not so distant, either), the default configuration of a free OS as a non-relaying Internet mail host worked quite well. Today, however, these hosts typically are subject to spam filtering and firewalling for various reasons. You can no longer expect to receive notice of problems with your mail service unless you have set it up quite carefully. In fact, it is quite common for messages to disappear silently into a black hole. However, since mail still works fairly well most of the time even if misconfigured, many users make the dubious choice (or simply accept a partially functional default) of providing their own mail transfer service, rather than using a smart host provided by qualified mail administrators. HTH