From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, tzz@lifelogs.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
elpa@tromey.com, Phil Hagelberg <phil@hagelb.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: Integrating package.el
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:09:56 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k4vp49rv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d41ihx9g.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
Chong Yidong writes:
> > This is a problem as opposed to increasing numbers of packages that
> > are available only to their authors and you can't put into Emacs? At
> > least this way you'll have a contact address for authors.
>
> No, it's a valid concern. It's hard work hunting down papers and
> integrating packages.
Nobody said otherwise. I am painfully aware of the costs of both.
> We must make sure a package system does not tempt us to just "dump
> and forget".
Too late. By refusing to handle registration of 3rd-party packages
itself, Emacs has been "dumping and forgetting" for decades. That
hasn't hindered growth of repositories of unassigned code in
any way, it has just created a class system and contributed to
integration problems for maintainers of packages like AUCTeX who do
exercise due diligence ... but they arrived on the scene too late.
The temptation is a *human* problem, not the system's, and refusing to
list unassigned packages is just as much succumbing to the temptation
as "forgetting" to chase papers for listed packages. At least if you
list the packages, you have the goad of shame to go chasing the papers.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-11 3:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-26 2:55 Autoload from a web page? Lennart Borgman
2009-12-27 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-27 3:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-28 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-28 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29 1:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-12-29 1:39 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29 2:45 ` joakim
2009-12-29 2:54 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-29 4:52 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29 22:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-30 6:13 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-30 18:06 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2009-12-30 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 19:10 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01 0:40 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:27 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-01 19:26 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-04 18:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 15:11 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 18:46 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 21:14 ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo (was: Autoload from a web page?) Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:21 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-12-29 21:38 ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-29 21:36 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-30 16:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-31 5:32 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-01 19:18 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-03 5:38 ` Integrating package.el (was Re: unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo) Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-04 17:55 ` Integrating package.el Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-04 19:51 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05 5:02 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 5:37 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-05 15:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 16:03 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 20:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:50 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-06 20:45 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-06 21:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-09 5:40 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-09 14:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-09 17:47 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 10:41 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-10 11:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-10 14:04 ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-10 16:00 ` joakim
2010-01-10 20:43 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 20:07 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-10 21:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-10 23:02 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-11 3:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-14 3:12 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 11:40 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-19 17:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-02-22 19:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-22 20:36 ` joakim
2010-02-23 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-02-24 21:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-02-25 20:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:32 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 20:59 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 17:39 ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-02 18:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-02 13:34 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:37 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 22:18 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 22:30 ` Štěpán Němec
2010-03-01 23:00 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-02 13:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 20:13 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-04 5:42 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-02 19:03 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-25 22:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-03-04 5:39 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04 7:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 18:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05 4:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-04 13:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-04 18:33 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-07 22:58 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-04 20:39 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-07 23:16 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-03-08 3:17 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-08 14:55 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-08 17:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-08 17:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-04 18:30 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-05 0:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-01 14:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 16:26 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-01 17:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 18:06 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-01 21:22 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-03-03 20:15 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-03 20:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-03 22:21 ` Tom Tromey
2010-03-02 13:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-01 21:09 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-11 3:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-01-12 20:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-12 21:37 ` Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 15:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 16:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 17:51 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:43 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) Stefan Monnier
2010-01-05 22:28 ` Gnus encouragement of GMail (was: Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus)) Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 17:27 ` Installation, activation and setup of packages (e.g. Gnus) (was: Integrating package.el) Reiner Steib
2010-01-05 18:03 ` Integrating package.el Phil Hagelberg
2010-01-05 18:40 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 19:14 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-05 20:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-01-05 23:19 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-06 15:42 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 17:16 ` unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo Jonas Bernoulli
2010-01-01 19:21 ` Tom Tromey
2009-12-29 5:22 ` Autoload from a web page? Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 5:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-02 15:45 ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-04 2:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-04 16:23 ` Richard Stallman
2009-12-29 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 16:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-12-30 16:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-12-30 17:08 ` Lennart Borgman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-10 22:06 Integrating package.el MON KEY
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