From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `set-variable' should use :set Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:02:50 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87k4lagwad.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87d3r3qd44.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <871v7jqchc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <033D7FA139144B03B1370B9E9C1113ED@us.oracle.com> <87bp6nklx2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <823F3463F14A490A90A6075368296AC2@us.oracle.com> <4EEEE63344BB4696B708EE3C3A8BE349@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287758014 27272 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2010 14:33:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:33:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 22 16:33:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9IgV-0000ak-EI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:33:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53204 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P9IgU-0004qd-Pk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:33:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55222 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P9ID6-0007Fp-Lz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:03:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P9ID2-0008Tl-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:03:07 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:47057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P9ID2-0008TP-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:03:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9ID0-0008GS-HS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:03:02 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ede4b.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.222.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:03:02 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ede4b.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:03:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ede4b.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:odA1SC+9XWiHtzk4ML9U7H7uaHc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131991 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> >  ("Obsolete" is not a verb BTW (e.g. "obsoleted"), >> >> It is, according at least to >> >> - Free Merriam-Webster: http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/obsoleted >> - Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary: >> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=Webster%27s&word=obsolete > > Oh, fun. > > The first of those URLs claims that as a verb it is (only) transitive ("You > obsoleted the bike"). The second of those claims that as a verb it is (only) > intransitive ("You obsoleted, but the bike obsoleted first"). The second is from 1913. The first is current. Since Emacs 19.13 has been obsolete for quite a while, I'd go with the latter, namely the first. > Customize obsoletes `set-variable' the same way stalking and killing > your own deer, cleaning it, transporting it, and stewing it obsoletes > just grabbing a bowl of venison stew at the hunting lodge. Customize > is an adventure; `set-variable' is sans drama. Until you picked up the slack. -- David Kastrup