From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:29:40 +0800 Message-ID: <87k3255ggb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> <83388u4bps.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsejkrt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tx19jpqz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417854272 12584 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 08:24:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:24:32 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 09:24:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxAf9-0006SK-M7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:24:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53740 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxAf9-0001tW-7y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:24:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44730) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxAf0-0001tE-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:24:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxAeu-0006iT-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:24:14 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxAeu-0006iP-IM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 03:24:08 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxAet-0006Kv-CT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:24:07 +0100 Original-Received: from 61.149.185.27 ([61.149.185.27]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:24:07 +0100 Original-Received: from eric by 61.149.185.27 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:24:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.149.185.27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:E8uvuopSlLu3HcuOR56X/ynhQVw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179110 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > > > It would be nice to explicitly let posters know that they can ask > > someone for help with implementing a feature/squashing a > > bug. There's lots of helpful advice here and on emacs.help, but > > that's not quite the same as knowing that someone has committed (to > > some extent) to assisting you. > > I see worries about "hostile" environment, and suggestions for making > things more welcoming to new contributors. I have to ask, what do all > you folks who are suggesting Emacs change its procedures think is in > it for the mentors and core developers? FWIW (not much), I have never felt any hostility here or in emacs.help, and I'm not complaining about anything. Possibly I haven't felt it because I'm coming in at such a low level that no nerves are touched -- I'm asking basic questions. The only reason I chimed in is because I'm one of those who would love to contribute more substantially, but needs guidance. For example, I've got the basics of an epub-editing mode in place. I'd like it to be a solid library, and would likely need assistance to get it there. What's in it for the mentors and core developers is that, a few years from now, I'd like to be making larger contributions to the Emacs core. Mentoring would help me get there. Eric