From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:03:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87k2qlwhpl.fsf@T420.taylan> References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737xf9je9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pp0fm0j3.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3kusx8z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhb26eb9.fsf@gnu.org> <876126key3.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv1a6bfu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1weo7u9.fsf@gnu.org> <83zizi3qr0.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhb1n81y.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8rhqzdd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tctxy1a.fsf@T420.taylan> <83fv194f0v.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445101731 10051 80.91.229.3 (17 Oct 2015 17:08:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ludo@gnu.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 19:08:50 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUyQ-0006em-CV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:08:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59186 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUyP-0008B9-W4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:08:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35801) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUt7-0000Yg-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:03:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUt6-0007Kf-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:03:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]:38420) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnUt6-0007KM-GX; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: by wicll6 with SMTP id ll6so48885795wic.1; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:03:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KxILX4RldmVykyimy8mWFtnyCmGy1szBUiz/NRNMKb8=; b=Cp2y4IvfnfnpbDHQMEtSZJFSp4iINWE7nMc97hjGbgQMK0yyIoo1FIlKfDxX9DrPTF 3wEMKxtyv7+2rbuQwrjP1CLr7+aoVAyH9D6QIG8crkn9a+wUac73vf171bOWuM4NKPaT Cq4fNKGWI7YBEFbTEviJnYJAbOSptDjioUzRdt6cvpppQoJPS5R5oer1b4U23/334WvZ fh0QZwApOcm2nOIa9JHHtKKwfOQb2X66A7dewV57cE9CSrotBDr2QMP/aAvI7VIL7T3k bAqEBYvmKPVXPUpIn/0/QfmI61lh6QWVhssw72GcthbqJ2cMVEFFqK4x5Tg56tbi+p5t OG4w== X-Received: by 10.194.113.101 with SMTP id ix5mr24053913wjb.107.1445101399815; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from T420.taylan ([2a02:908:c32:4740:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pb4sm29301387wjb.8.2015.10.17.10.03.18 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:03:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83fv194f0v.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:48:48 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191856 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer) >> Cc: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s), Eli Zaretskii >> , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:25:21 +0200 >>=20 >> I guess the discussion was about rewriting bigger parts of Emacs in >> Guile-Scheme > > Yes, this is the issue; see the Subject. > >> Most of the benefits in e.g. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs >> apply without having to solve the string problem. > > But this discussion is about replacing most or all of the Emacs C core > with Guile. If we want to avoid rewriting, say, coding.c completely > from scratch, we need Guile to support the same operations as the ones > exposed by coding.c to Lisp applications. Currently, Guile doesn't. I really don't think rewriting *all* of Emacs's C code in another language is a realistic goal at all. So unrealistic that I couldn't believe this gigantic thread is still discussing that. :-) Rewriting select parts of it in Elisp and/or Scheme seems much more realistic. AFAIUI, GuileEmacs already does that with Scheme to some degree, since the Guile compiler is written in Scheme. Taylan