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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209730 Archived-At: Noam Postavsky writes: >> Actually, it should be *necessary* exactly as often as now. We need a >> certain number of autoloads to bootstrap. Both ldefs-boot-auto and >> ldefs-boot provide these. But ldefs-boot provides many more as well. > > Yes, and sometimes the extra ones that ldefs-boot provides could > become necessary. In that case there wouldn't be a need to regenerate > because they're already there. When using ldefs-boot-auto we would > need to regenerate. > > Does that sound right? Yes, that's true. This might occur, for example, if a file is re-ordered so that a new function is hit first. My suspision is that once we have a clear idea of the functions that are used during bootstrap, this would happen rarely. >>> Right. And I think the definitions you put would let make run them in >>> parallel, thus breaking things. >> >> >> bootstrap: | bootstrap-clean bootstrap-build >> >> ? > > I think it should be > > bootstrap: bootstrap-clean bootstrap-build > boostrap-build: | bootstrap-clean Ta! Phil