From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:30:13 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87k120ohsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> <87y2qhnc9a.fsf@gmail.com> <20200427102311.GA4976@ACM> <87mu6xtano.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="98048"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E9vin?= Le Gouguec Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 22:41:43 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTAZT-000PNt-0E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:41:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32862 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTAZS-0006Nl-2D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:41:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTAYu-0005Xn-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:41:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTAYp-000699-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:41:07 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:33563) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTAYo-00066z-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-106-11.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.106.11]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D66F7100005; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 20:40:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87mu6xtano.fsf@gmail.com> (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22K=E9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:45:15 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.178.231; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay11.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 16:40:56 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.178.231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247963 Archived-At: > (Frustratingly, org-mode uses what I think of as the "old" convention > to use RET as "plain newline" and C-j as "smart newline with indent".) There are many things that are frustrating in org-mode. Many Emacs features are disabled in org-mode, and standard keys are redefined to behave in own way. What is worse, often org-mode takes freedom from users for no reason. I mean such artificial restrictions as for example preventing users from customizing positions of Org popup windows: (defmacro org-no-popups (&rest body) "Suppress popup windows and evaluate BODY." `(let (pop-up-frames display-buffer-alist) ,@body)) that ignores user customization in display-buffer-alist.