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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252706 Archived-At: Hello, On Sat 04 Jul 2020 at 04:31AM +03, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Just declare the next pretest version 27.1 instead =E2=80=94 and you=CA= =BCll see dozens of various distros from unstable Debian to Termux (a distr= ibution of terminal applications for Android-like OSes) obediently picking = it up. > > Current stable Debian will never pick it up, of course, so its users are = safe from any new bugs and features, and testing Debian =E2=80=94 only afte= r running it in for a few weeks in unstable. Debian would probably not pick it up unless we didn't realise it was a pretest, because except for our 'experimental' repository, we don't upload things we wouldn't be happy to end up in a stable release. --=20 Sean Whitton