From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264478 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > ~/.../archives/emacs-bugs > $ grep '^In.*pc-linux-gnu' 2018-* 2019-* 2020-*|grep -i 'motif'|wc -l > 3 > > So it=CA=BCs ~80% GTK, 16% Lucid, and Motif can be removed. Thanks for the analysis, and I agree that if we're going to remove anything Motif seems like the obvious candidate here. One possible thing to take into consideration: Are there any systems (that we care about) where Motif is the only toolkit solution available? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no