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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:15:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 15 Feb 2021 05:38:24 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Isn't this a bit premature?  I thought we were still debating how best
> to implement the annotations?

The discussion seems to have evaporated, so...

Stefan M was in favour of using contextual annotation, so that

(some-new-directive 'foo-mode)

(defun foo-thing1 ()
  (interactive))

(defun foo-thing2 ()
  (interactive))

means that these two commands are tagged as being for foo-mode, and then
using "negative tagging" like

  (declare (completion t))

on the commands that shouldn't get that tagging.  He didn't expound on
why -- whether he just thinks (interactive "p" foo-mode) is just too
ugly, and offends the eye, or whether this would be less work.

It won't be less work -- adding the markup is mechanical, but whether a
command should be mode-specific (and in what mode it should be in) is
what requires work: You have to actually look at each command and make
the determination (and that's the case whether you use contextual
annotations or not).

For instance, I tagged up message.el, and most of the commands are for
message mode, some are general, and there's one command
(`message-make-html-message-with-image-files') that only works in
dired-mode.  (This sort of thing is more common than you'd think --
there's a bunch of commands work in the intersection of two modes, so
it's arbitrary what file they end up in.)

(I've already written about how I think contextual annotations are a
long-term maintenance nightmare, so I won't repeat that bit here.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-16 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20210213141226.EEDFE20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-02-13 20:04   ` scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:05     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 15:29         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:03           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:17               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:20                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:24                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 17:25                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 20:25                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-15  3:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:15                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-02-16 15:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 16:31                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 17:06                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 17:39                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 17:46                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:10                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:24                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 18:36                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 18:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 19:31                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 19:39                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 20:30                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-16 20:49                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 22:00                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 22:22                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 22:37                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17  0:48                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 11:02                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 11:30                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17  9:10                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 10:16                                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 11:08                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:45                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 18:42                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17  8:50                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 13:57                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-17 15:52                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 16:19                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-16 22:31                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-17 16:53                                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2021-02-16 22:47                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-16 22:55                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-16 23:20                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-16 23:23                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 15:28                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19  5:36                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-17 15:25                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 15:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 19:01                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 19:42                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17 19:49                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 19:30                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:12                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 23:57                                                                   ` Rolf Ade
2021-02-16 21:44                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-17  8:58                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 10:16                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 11:05                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 17:45                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-17 19:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-16 12:07                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:05                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 21:03                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-17 21:06                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 22:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18  3:57                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-18  4:43                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18  5:20                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-18 10:33                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 10:38                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 10:40                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-18 14:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18 16:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-18 16:47                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-19 12:07                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 14:29                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 12:35                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:38                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 15:01                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 20:37                   ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-02-14 23:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 16:49             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 17:23               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 17:52                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-14 19:54                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:58             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-14 17:23               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 16:02       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 16:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 16:23           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-14 17:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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