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From: David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: fitzsim@fitzsim.org, winkler@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: oauth2 support for Emacs email clients
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 11:57:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0kse21n.fsf@randomsample> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1mDeTj-0001Gw-KP@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 2021 23:00:27 -0400")

>   > > I haven't tried yet, but I suspect using Emacs in my organization would
>   > > be harder because, what GUID would I use?
>
>   > Well, you could just use Thunderbird's. It's all right here:
>
>   > https://github.com/mozilla/releases-comm-central/blob/master/mailnews/base/src/OAuth2Providers.jsm
>
>   > You shouldn't though, because that could get you in trouble. While all
>   > this stuff is essentially security theatre, good luck explaining that to
>   > your IT security department...
>
> It's possible that you're right.  But, because your statement is takes
> a leap and doesn't describe the logical steps, it is hard to verify
> that.
>
> Would you like to help determine whether that approach is practical?
> And, if not, why not?
>
> For instance, why would the organization's IT security team care
> whether he runs Thunderbird, or runs Emacs and tells some company it is
> Thunderbird?

This is not a technical issue, this is just about company policies what
you are and are not allowed to do on your company laptop. Whether these
policies are only written down, or are also enforced through some
technical measure, is really not that important.

What I consider to be more important is that the Thunderbird developers
kindly ask to not copy their client ID/secret for other applications,
and we should respect that.

> How would it even notice that he's using Emacs rather than Thunderbird?

By looking over his shoulder, through a security audit of his laptop, or
he might simply tell...

-David



  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-11  9:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-03  5:00 oauth2 support for Emacs email clients Roland Winkler
2021-08-03  6:32 ` Uwe Brauer
2021-08-03  8:21 ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-03 19:38   ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-04  0:56     ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-04  7:27       ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-04  7:41       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-04 23:12         ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-04  7:03   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-04  7:21     ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-05 10:34       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-03  9:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-03 19:27   ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-03 22:02     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-05  0:21     ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-10 14:39       ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-11  0:43         ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-11  0:54           ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-12  2:16             ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-12  2:33               ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-03 20:21   ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-03 20:40     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-03 21:14       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-08-03 21:19         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-14 10:46       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-14 11:12         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-14 11:47           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-15  3:04           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-15  3:04           ` Making your own application credentials as a user Richard Stallman
2021-08-15  4:10             ` Tim Cross
2021-08-03  9:20 ` oauth2 support for Emacs email clients Eric S Fraga
2021-08-03 11:17   ` Tim Cross
2021-08-03 12:55     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-03 13:14       ` tomas
2021-08-05 14:15         ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-03 15:04     ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-03 19:45       ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-04  6:58         ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-03 19:41   ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-04  6:59     ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-04 14:45     ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-04 22:45       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-04 23:29         ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-05  7:45         ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-08-08  3:58       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-09  8:30         ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-12  2:15           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-12 18:59             ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-03 23:38 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-08  6:01   ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-08  6:30     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-08 23:48       ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-09  0:01         ` Andrew Cohen
2021-08-08  8:52     ` David Engster
2021-08-08 14:22       ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-08 14:47         ` David Engster
2021-08-08 15:30           ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-08 16:00             ` David Engster
2021-08-08 23:31               ` Roland Winkler
2021-08-10  2:01               ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-10  9:07                 ` David Engster
2021-08-10 14:41                   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-10 15:56                     ` David Engster
2021-08-11  6:37                       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-08-11  3:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-11  9:57                     ` David Engster [this message]
2021-08-13  3:10                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-11  2:55                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-14 15:00                   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2021-08-14 15:26                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-08-08 16:05             ` Tim Cross
2021-08-09  8:39               ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-10  3:29       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-10  6:08         ` Tim Cross
2021-08-10 14:18           ` Roland Winkler

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