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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:285661 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:46:04 +0800, Po Lu said: Po> Juri Linkov writes: >>>> So by default, even when you don't use frames, these items take mu= ch >>>> space on the File menu: >>>>=20 >>>> (disabled) Delete frame >>>> (disabled) Undelete frame >>>> [X] Allow Undeleting Frames >>>=20 >>> "Delete Frame" is not a recent development. It's been there for a = long >>> time, along with New Frame and the various monitor and multi-tty re= lated >>> variants of that. >> To make the menu shorter, does it make sense to hide "Delete frame"? Po> It does not. If anything needs deleting from that menu, it=CA=BCs 'Make frame on display'. That=CA=BCs useful to a vanishingly small percentage of users, and I doubt they'd use the menu to do it. >> Especially the users who don't use frames would benefit from this. = Or >> at least not to show the disabled "Undelete frame" until "Delete >> frame" changes to the enabled state. Po> How does someone "not use frames"? I thought that stopped being Po> possible with Emacs 19, when every X window became a frame. Some people only use a single frame. Some people use multiple frames on tty. Tomayto, tomaato. >> What do you think about another variant to make the menu shorter: to >> move frame items to the File>Frame submenu? Po> That I can agree with (but please let Eli and some other regulars Po> comment first), thanks. Fine by me: I have the menus turned off :-) FWIW, I=CA=BCd vote to have undelete frame enabled by default, which would obviate the need for the menu item. Having to turn on a mode to get 'undo' behaviour just seems unfriendly. Robert --=20