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* EMBA notifications?
@ 2022-03-13 14:57 Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-03-13 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-03-13 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

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For the first time that I can recall, the EMBA dash is now green:


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Would it be possible to make it start sending out mail to people that
commit things that make it go red?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no


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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-13 14:57 EMBA notifications? Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-03-13 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
  2022-03-13 16:10 ` Michael Albinus
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2022-03-13 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel

> For the first time that I can recall, the EMBA dash is now green:

Hallelujah!


        Stefan




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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-13 14:57 EMBA notifications? Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-03-13 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2022-03-13 16:10 ` Michael Albinus
  2022-03-13 16:32   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-03-14  0:21 ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14 10:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2022-03-13 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Would it be possible to make it start sending out mail to people that
> commit things that make it go red?

Not that I know. A while ago I was working on this, and I've asked on
the emacs-build-automation ML, but nobody did answer.

<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-build-automation/2021-12/msg00000.html>

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-13 16:10 ` Michael Albinus
@ 2022-03-13 16:32   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-03-13 17:49     ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-03-13 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: emacs-devel

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:

> Not that I know. A while ago I was working on this, and I've asked on
> the emacs-build-automation ML, but nobody did answer.

Darn.  Does anybody know anybody on the EMBA team we can poke to get an
answer?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-13 16:32   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-03-13 17:49     ` Michael Albinus
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2022-03-13 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

Hi Lars,

>> Not that I know. A while ago I was working on this, and I've asked on
>> the emacs-build-automation ML, but nobody did answer.
>
> Darn.  Does anybody know anybody on the EMBA team we can poke to get an
> answer?

"The EMBA team" is not relevant for this question, they are (some of)
the people reading the emacs-build-automation ML. See the members of the
"emacs" project on EMBA,
<https://emba.gnu.org/emacs/emacs/-/project_members>.

More interesting are people knowing GitLab in detail. Perhaps somebody
knows how to configure GitLab for sending customized emails.

When I poked around, weeks ago, I found
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6DlZpHvkcc>. Nice idea, but it needs
an external, third party emailing service. Don't know any non-commercial
one, and I'm even not sure that this applicable for free software, as it
would be running a non-free service somewhere else, not under our control.

If the FSF would offer such an emailing service, we could try to apply.

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-13 14:57 EMBA notifications? Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-03-13 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
  2022-03-13 16:10 ` Michael Albinus
@ 2022-03-14  0:21 ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14  3:30   ` Stefan Monnier
                     ` (2 more replies)
  2022-03-14 10:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  3 siblings, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu @ 2022-03-14  0:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> For the first time that I can recall, the EMBA dash is now green:

Fantastic, thanks!

I wonder what took us so long, though.  Was the test suite really that
unreliable?

As for the emails, I think interested people should just subscribe to
the buildstatus list.



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  0:21 ` Po Lu
@ 2022-03-14  3:30   ` Stefan Monnier
  2022-03-14  5:17     ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14  8:32   ` Michael Albinus
  2022-03-14  9:08   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2022-03-14  3:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, emacs-devel

> As for the emails, I think interested people should just subscribe to
> the buildstatus list.

That's much less effective.


        Stefan




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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  3:30   ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2022-03-14  5:17     ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14 12:17       ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu @ 2022-03-14  5:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, emacs-devel

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> That's much less effective.

I'm not sure.  It would be similar to reading emacs-diffs, which is
quite effective for the people who are interested.



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  0:21 ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14  3:30   ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2022-03-14  8:32   ` Michael Albinus
  2022-03-14  9:08   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Michael Albinus @ 2022-03-14  8:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, emacs-devel

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

Hi,

> I wonder what took us so long, though.  Was the test suite really that
> unreliable?

There are several tests which fail only on EMBA. Especially tests, which
use asynchronous processes, or file notifications.

The reason is not clear. One suspicion is that there might be a kernel
bug in Trisquel GNU/Linux 8.0, the operating system running on the EMBA
machine.

For the time being, these tests have been marked to skip. Look for
(getenv "EMACS_EMBA_CI") calls in the test/ subdirectory. If I haven't
miscounted, there are 26 such calls.

Best regards, Michael.



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  0:21 ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14  3:30   ` Stefan Monnier
  2022-03-14  8:32   ` Michael Albinus
@ 2022-03-14  9:08   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2022-03-14  9:17     ` Po Lu
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-03-14  9:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: emacs-devel

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> I wonder what took us so long, though.  Was the test suite really that
> unreliable?

The configuration on EMBA isn't a common one, so while most people had a
clean build, it would fail there.  That, combined with there being so
many tests that were already failing gives people less of an impetus
towards fixing build failures there, because it seems kinda hopeless.  I
think.

> As for the emails, I think interested people should just subscribe to
> the buildstatus list.

Now that there aren't routine failures all the time, subscribing to the
list makes sense (or read it via gmane.emacs.buildstatus, which I'm now
doing), but I don't think we can rely on people doing that.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  9:08   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-03-14  9:17     ` Po Lu
  2022-03-14  9:30       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu @ 2022-03-14  9:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> The configuration on EMBA isn't a common one, so while most people had a
> clean build, it would fail there.  That, combined with there being so
> many tests that were already failing gives people less of an impetus
> towards fixing build failures there, because it seems kinda hopeless.  I
> think.

Thanks.

> Now that there aren't routine failures all the time, subscribing to the
> list makes sense (or read it via gmane.emacs.buildstatus, which I'm now
> doing), but I don't think we can rely on people doing that.

Though I still think we could try to ask people to subscribe.  BTW, are
messages are only sent when a build fails, or do they get sent when they
succeed as well?



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  9:17     ` Po Lu
@ 2022-03-14  9:30       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-03-14  9:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: emacs-devel

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Though I still think we could try to ask people to subscribe.  BTW, are
> messages are only sent when a build fails, or do they get sent when they
> succeed as well?

Only when the build fails.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-13 14:57 EMBA notifications? Lars Ingebrigtsen
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2022-03-14  0:21 ` Po Lu
@ 2022-03-14 10:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-03-14 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> For the first time that I can recall, the EMBA dash is now green:

I spoke too soon.  There's apparently spurious errors on EMBA (that have
nothing to do with the builds per se).  For instance:

https://emba.gnu.org/emacs/emacs/-/jobs/41406

#8 ERROR: rpc error: code = Unavailable desc = transport is closing

So it's still not ready for prime time.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



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* Re: EMBA notifications?
  2022-03-14  5:17     ` Po Lu
@ 2022-03-14 12:17       ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2022-03-14 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, emacs-devel

Po Lu [2022-03-14 13:17:31] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> That's much less effective.
> I'm not sure.

I suspect it's because you've never tried it.

> It would be similar to reading emacs-diffs, which is quite effective
> for the people who are interested.

You really think there's no practical difference between:
- sending an email to the committer saying "your commit broke some test".
- sending an email to the few people who decided to subscribe saying
  "Hmm... someone else has broken some test again".


        Stefan




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