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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289977 Archived-At: Hi Mike, Mike Kupfer writes: > Hi Timothy, thanks for giving us an opportunity to comment on the draft > survey. Thank you for taking the time to have a look and write down your thoughts :) >> ** What features motivated you to initially try Emacs? :MultiSelect: > > Please add "other" as a response. I started using Emacs because it was > the only way I knew of to get multiple windows on a 24x80 terminal, back > in 1983 or 1984. Added. >> * Packages > > If you're going to make these questions mandatory, please allow for > responses along the lines of "I don't use third-party packages". Not a bad idea, but this will need a bit more thought. For instance, I currently have no support for conditional logic in the survey (i.e. if using packages answer these questions). >> ** Do you use an Email client in Emacs? :RadioSelect:Mandatory: > > Please add MH-E. > > Also, please make this MultiSelect. I use both MH-E and Gnus. You can write "MH-E, Gnus" in the other text field. >> ** Do you maintain any Emacs packages? :RadioSelect:Mandatory: > > Please clarify the wording: does "packages" here refer only to > third-party packages, or does it also include things that ship as part > of Emacs? I was only thinking of the former, but really I think both work. I'll revisit the wording. All the best, Timothy