From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:26:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87k09scotc.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9899"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 07 20:28:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nydw1-00027v-Fn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:28:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54042 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nydw0-00011n-DS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyduj-0008NB-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:26:49 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:46280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyduh-0003Jv-4o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:26:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/3i/4pGNL7bkftXVE6voRe3cv+LB1iBNKjhNnvA67bw=; b=jDI2WNqi6rF5rnQO12UaHI7rjO 3q39Mn6Eg69phrkmYQm9MjEI7YM5/OKYGEG7vVpx2JBjWlarDNZe89MGDjZZzpAz1WBsUxSl02ftq FnyMYL+OjnLwvJnYwYrSsgRQmD3+q6e+3jS6Pz9h5stB06PE68YKmI3OKg+4lPmLeSvk=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nydua-0006mn-JK; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:26:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:14:13 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290872 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > I think the way forward is to define a "basic org-mode". This one could > be used at many more places where there's currently an occasional desire > to use Org that's resisted because of the above problems. I think that people that use Org mode wouldn't be very interested in that, and people that don't use Org can just continue editing those files with `M-x find-file-literally', really. Doing so is fine. But I don't understand the discussion this thread warped out of. When we display a README from Package, we shouldn't be showing the raw text of README.org or README.md or README.html, lightly fontified -- we should be showing a rendering of it. People that read the README aren't supposed to edit it, after all. Which would make the 40K key bindings that Org apparently has completely irrelevant for non-Org users. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no