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[108.168.178.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c1-20020ac87d81000000b0030522a969e0sm4058804qtd.60.2022.06.12.17.38.32 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 Jun 2022 17:38:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877d5lwhbg.fsf@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d; envelope-from=yantar92@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x82d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291117 Archived-At: Tim Cross writes: > There are many ways org mode can be improved. Current work to clarify > and refine the syntax, provide a solid and efficient parser, improved > font-locking and formatting and more consistent and rich API for both > extensions and new export backends are far more critical than adding > additional markup/markdown syntax to enable org mode to replace texinfo. > IMO such changes are not only misguided, they have the real potential to > adversely impact org by making things more complicated and harder to > maintain, destroying the advantage of a very small and easy to use > markup and moving the focus towards becoming an authoring tool rather > than a personal data organisation aid. Tim, I afraid that we a slipping to overgeneralisation again. We may or may not need to make changes to Org syntax for the purpose of writing documentation using Org. Can someone please prepare a small example texi file containing examples of various texi features that are commonly needed and possibly also demonstrating some concrete instances of problems that exist in texinfo? If we have such an example and know the expected outputs, someone can then create an equivalent Org file. Then, the discussion will hopefuly become more constructive. Best, Ihor