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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293766 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > That'd be nice -- but do we have any concrete reason to believe that Qt > is going to suck less than Gtk? Everybody has a tendency to think that > something like this must surely be great -- until they start actually > working with it, and then they discover all the things that just doesn't > work (as we found out with Gtk, but only after a few years of actually > working with it). I don't know. I guess we will only find out once someone starts writing such a port. GTK was fine at first (I remember the scroll bar flickering being an issue in the early days of the GTK+ build), but due to the bad decisions of the GNOME developers, has been getting steadily worse since 3.0, and even more so since 3.4.