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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 14596b64739cbde5436e187a19f8e5b7; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 06:01:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Lynn Winebarger's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 11:28:09 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic316-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293776 Archived-At: Lynn Winebarger writes: > As I only recently took up building emacs for myself again, I can tell > you when I saw the choices for toolkit configuration, my reaction was > (a) how is no toolkit a viable option, and (b) who is using a window > manager based on the Motif or Lucid toolkits these days? For Motif, CDE (dtwm) and mwm users. As for Lucid, no one, because the Lucid tookit is internal to Emacs. But to be fair, GNOME's window manager isn't based on GTK either, and uses its own "Shell Toolkit".