From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akib Azmain Turja Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:41:45 +0600 Message-ID: <87k06z9lo6.fsf@disroot.org> References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h725deo3.fsf@gnu.org> <87bksdltah.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119bni8.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5341"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Robert Pluim , luangruo@yahoo.com, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 14:57:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTT6-0001CZ-Iq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:57:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50866 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTT5-00042O-Ia for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:57:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54444) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTO7-00062M-PN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:52:11 -0400 Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:52468) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQTO4-0000B5-EG; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:52:11 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A139E40084; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:52:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZtGLPbc5-PU; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:52:02 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1661259117; bh=SqxNEzltwvsBMLauvkfWmnYqPapm8RruB6hq0Fpg9qE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=BH0RKPYc4vunQGCxi2rx+OCH0p6+lDoWfAXcCuxIG5FWBfEHI+Q80FeAzaajN1V4I hWAsy0s/2Ovm4zdWGpSjQW+HclR5TNixOozr+maZqb2TfumduCHmvWQiqHIdXKoZgW ULzZ5ajlzcHkEBdUyn7i0OkHQt2St/I13oVqOnFtkZVw/Nh00WxT9eYdNX/3r81bTE kLuNYc8MN9t1rQG453iw3JyjHQIklaKBfxSv91zb0Qh9QwERuBUIQ81o26Th5IIZza Sa6mdf9VC+iAjK0xf2IB1rRX8mot5UGXtLGYuSm71UlPpHgKpHOQUwLreRTxw+/QNk GNAU2i4qm1fvA== In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2022 23:44:26 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=akib@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293881 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > If Someone=E2=84=A2 contributes a Qt port, that might > > do as well (there was a port of XEmacs to Qt several decades ago, so > > it definitely feasible). > > Qt has a grave problem: its license. It is released undeer GNU GPL > version 3 _only_. That means that if someday we have a GPL version 4, > when we upgrade Emacs to GPL version 4-or-later, it will be > license-incompatible with GPL 3. > > The Qt developers might change to GPL 3-or-4, but we can't assume they > will do so. We can keep the Qt port in isolation from the rest of Emacs, and then, if we ever upgrade to GPL version 4-or-later, we can kick out the port until Qt also upgrades their license. > > Use of C++ is another problem. Yeah, writing C++ may seem to be pleasant, but it becomes horrible when you get an compile error with a thousand lines backtrace of types and templates. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja Find me on Mastodon at @akib@hostux.social. This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. 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