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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297395 Archived-At: Hi Stefan, Timothey, * Stefan Monnier [2022-05-19; 13:37 -04]: >> I=E2=80=99m not sure what=E2=80=99s best here. Nationality feels like th= e right thing to me, but >> as you say some people could reasonably check two or even three of them. >> However, I=E2=80=99d consider a list of 237 checkboxes to be pretty bad = (as opposed to >> the current single-select dropdown menu). Would it be unreasonable to as= k for a >> primary nationality, if that works for 99% of people that may be good en= ough >> overall for us. > > To be honest, I have no idea why we'd care about nationality. I can see > why we'd care about where our users reside (e.g. country of residence), +1 for country of residence. Regarding the idea of asking for region instead: If people answer country of residence it's possible to aggregate the answers to regions. > or maybe which is their mother's tongue, or the language they speak most > comfortably, but nationality? only as a proxy for some of those. Makes sense to me, especially if there would be a next question how well they find their language supported by Emacs. Or if they need additional packages for supporting their language. Ciao; Gregor --=20 -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.-