From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Obsoleting of generalized variable setters in 48aacbf292fbe8d4be7761f83bf87de93497df27 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 00:02:58 +0000 Message-ID: <87k03nj1ot.fsf@localhost> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16920"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 22 01:03:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oxGkx-0004EE-Nh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:03:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxGkH-0007eo-Ct; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:02:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxGkG-0007ef-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:02:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxGkE-0003DZ-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:02:36 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50BE2240026 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:02:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1669075351; bh=LK70yoQP5pkY0QGCfYmB4S7Ea9iQLn5zre7jdTx1GfQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=ppYvRd/ptfQg6Vo1VLRu/3T2PEjHUFecelybHLYlxJp30kTpsgr0sH1SeSEQFIOeg xEcP+sJf3zJfbR50aTBIvRwdbeyBbBKVl5cKdXCDil75jOmMHFEW9zuNz7DnrGFZ8g 135X/dBtsMCCgatHdGdO3OEuPdF6jv/20FmH+eOpslQq5PgbqW3fNjseXnivQlw42W pyXp6aOdcza1Ep155I6hQZ3aiubypEUzxrpTaRJnmvyfYJcrZBl8D31EieuiFfjV2F pmrWE2+B3dB4CvBzO9y4hsA25TvLO5jE1eMOuMh9CScNY4tkOVbyMOarVPUp6fZ2os P4MoxeHjR4klw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NGPZr1Th0z9rxM; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:02:27 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300315 Archived-At: Adam Porter writes: > I agree that each should be debated on its own merits. But has the > burden been reversed? Could we argue why they should be removed rather > than why they should be kept? I would generally argue that features > that have been implemented should be considered useful (otherwise, why > would they have been added?) and not be removed except for specific > reasons. One reference is https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/877d2w1ua0.fsf@tcd.ie -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at