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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	 Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>,
	 emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tree-sitter introduction documentation
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 11:14:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k02aihrz.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F91FDEA-881A-49DB-BB52-5A0D81C004CE@gmail.com> (Yuan Fu's message of "Tue, 27 Dec 2022 18:52:54 -0800")

Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com> writes:

>>> though considering that Emacs isn't the first editor with TreeSitter
>>> support, I wonder why this hasn't happened yet. 
>> 
>> My guess is lack of motivation on one side (most editors using
>> Tree-sitter already provide built-in support to automatically install
>> relevant grammars, which is even simpler (but not empowering) for the
>> end users since they don't need administrators access to install the
>> relevant grammars).
>> 
>> On the other side is probably the difficulty of packaging Rust and JS
>> libraries which tend to be horribly misbehaved w.r.t what distributions
>> expect (with things like vendoring or dependencies on very specific
>> versions of libraries).
>
> For tree-sitter, the dependency is pretty sane, with just node and a
> C/C++ compiler you can convert grammar.js to a loadable library.

Do you know how strong the dependency on node is?  As I said before, it
seems that it is possible to evaluate the grammar files that use the DSL
using something like quickjs as well, which is easier to build (or at
least I have bad experiences with installing tools around the Node
culture).  If grammar specifications really just stick to the DSL, then
this should be fine, but it appears that it should be possible for them
to also load arbitrary node.js libraries as well -- the node invocation
doesn't appear to inhibit this -- and complicate the process as well as
the building procedure as well.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-29 11:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-16 14:47 Tree-sitter introduction documentation Perry Smith
2022-12-16 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 15:24   ` João Távora
2022-12-16 15:36     ` Perry Smith
2022-12-16 15:43       ` João Távora
2022-12-16 17:56       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-16 15:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 15:48       ` João Távora
2022-12-16 15:53         ` Perry Smith
2022-12-16 16:02           ` João Távora
2022-12-18  9:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-18 14:07               ` Perry Smith
2022-12-18 17:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 16:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-17  0:03           ` Tim Cross
2022-12-17  8:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-17 10:40               ` João Távora
2022-12-17 11:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-18  0:40               ` Tim Cross
2022-12-16 16:01       ` Manuel Giraud
2022-12-16 16:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 16:47           ` Perry Smith
2022-12-16 17:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 15:53     ` Manuel Giraud
2022-12-16 15:56       ` João Távora
2022-12-16 16:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 17:15         ` Manuel Giraud
2022-12-16 17:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 20:22             ` Ken Brown
2022-12-17  4:06               ` Tim Cross
2022-12-17 15:42                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-17 17:41                   ` T.V Raman
2022-12-26 22:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-12-27 12:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 12:43                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-12-27 13:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 14:11                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-12-27 14:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 16:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-27 16:44                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-27 17:16                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 17:20                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-27 18:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 17:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-30 11:06                                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-30 11:25                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-30 11:54                                       ` tomas
2022-12-30 11:59                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-30 12:27                                           ` tomas
2022-12-30 12:45                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-30 14:26                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-12-30 23:33                                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-30 15:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-30 15:54                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-30 16:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-31  0:06                                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-31  0:12                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-01-01  1:18                                             ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-02 19:10                                               ` [SPAM UNSURE] " Stephen Leake
2022-12-31  0:03                                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-31  0:25                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-01-01  1:16                                           ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-01  6:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-02  0:31                                               ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-02  0:40                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-01-03  6:58                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-02  3:34                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-31  9:24                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-31 22:14                                           ` Yuan Fu
2023-01-01  1:12                                             ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-31  0:44                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-03  4:08                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-01-03 12:14                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-01  3:03                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-01-01  6:54                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-01 19:14                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-01-01 20:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-03  4:06                                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-01-03 12:06                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 17:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 17:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-27 18:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-27 18:44                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-27 20:06                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-27 21:13                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-28  2:52                                             ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-28 13:10                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-28 13:38                                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-28 14:41                                                 ` Danny Freeman
2022-12-29 11:14                                               ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2022-12-29 15:27                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-29 15:40                                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-29 21:50                                                     ` [SPAM UNSURE] " Stephen Leake
2022-12-29 22:37                                                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-30 14:10                                                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-30 16:25                                                         ` Targeting libtreesitter from wisent and other parser generators for emacs Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-31  8:25                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-31 13:07                                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-29 15:45                                                   ` Tree-sitter introduction documentation Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-29 17:00                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-29 17:12                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-29 17:31                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-29 18:12                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-29 18:28                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-29 18:44                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-29 19:34                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-29 19:48                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-29 19:59                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-29 18:32                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-29 16:32                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-29 16:53                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-29 16:59                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-29 17:01                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-29 17:03                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-29 17:12                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-29 17:13                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-29 17:04                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-30  1:01                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-30 11:00                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-30 12:07                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-30 13:10                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-30 15:23                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-28 12:56                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-28 14:41                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-27 19:53                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-01  3:03                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-12-27 13:51                         ` tomas
2022-12-27 15:58                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-16 17:23   ` Perry Smith
2022-12-16 17:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 19:08       ` Perry Smith
2022-12-16 19:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-16 20:05           ` Perry Smith
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-12-17  4:50 Payas Relekar
2022-12-18  6:32 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-12-18  8:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-18 10:39   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-12-18 11:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-31  6:59 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2022-12-31  7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii

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