From: Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: spacibba@aol.com, arne_bab@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Indentation and gc
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 18:10:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jzzn9pti.fsf@no.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834jqrwbgu.fsf@gnu.org>
Hi Eli, emacs developers,
* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2023-03-11; 17:32 +02]:
>> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
>> Cc: spacibba@aol.com, arne_bab@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:31:18 +0000
>> Given that modern computer typically have 4-16Gb RAM, the warning does
>> not look like an actual warning. 800kb is nothing. Surely, increasing it
>> to 80Mb to even few hundreds Mb is safe, right? Or not?
>
> Again, you are reasoning about the value as if it were related to the
> maximum memory footprint Emacs could have. But in fact, it is related
> only to the _increment_ of memory Emacs can have before it should stop
> and consider how much of that is garbage.
But isn't that the very reason, why Ihors gc-cons-threshold
calculation in mid:878rg3wh2f.fsf@localhost is on the
save side memory wise? Because it's a fraction of emacs
overall memory consumption anyway but scaled regarding
the total amount of memory?
To me the problem with big gc-cons-threshold even on systems
which are even bigger on RAM is that the (rare) garbage
collection the takes much more time and an uneducated
user might think Emacs hangs.
I played a lot recently witch gc-cons-threshold settings due
to Emacs being too sluggish with my old ones. Now I:
- set gc-cons-threshold very high at the beginning of
startup (* 4096 40960)
- set it lower at the end of startup
(/ (* 4096 4096) 1)
- use gcmh with this value
- set it very high when entering the mini-buffer and
lower again when exiting it
- force a gc when frame loses focs
The result is that with emacs-uptime being 7 hours, 21
minutes (and plenty of time away from the computer) I
have 103 messages regarding Garbage collection with
accompanied times for them in my message buffer.
Some statistics:
Minimal number 0.000 seconds
Maximal number 2.603 seconds
Sum 65.896 seconds
Average 0.63976699029126213592 seconds
Median 0.612 seconds
Variance 0.06970711075501932322
Standard deviation 0.26402104225803541665
Actually 0.6 seconds are already rather long I think.
But it's much better than before (on a ca. 9 years old
x240 with 8GB RAM)
Therefore I think some auto-adjustment of
gc-cons-threshold would be nice, which would try to
optimize for low number of garbage collection and short
times of actual gc runs.
Ciao; Gregor
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2023-03-10 11:07 ` Indentation and gc Ergus
2023-03-10 14:36 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-10 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 19:23 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-11 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 6:55 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-11 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 12:34 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-11 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 13:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 13:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-12 14:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-12 14:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-12 15:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-12 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 15:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 15:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 18:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-14 12:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-15 10:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-15 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-15 12:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-15 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-16 10:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-06 9:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-08 8:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08 8:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-08 10:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 17:07 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-14 17:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Gregor Zattler
2023-03-14 12:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-14 15:19 ` Gregor Zattler
2023-03-11 16:19 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-12 13:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-12 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-12 14:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-12 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-12 17:15 ` Gregor Zattler
2023-03-12 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 15:39 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 16:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-14 12:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-14 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-15 10:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 15:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-14 13:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 10:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 11:17 ` Ergus
2023-03-11 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 12:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 12:39 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 12:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 13:01 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-11 13:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 13:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 13:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 13:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 14:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 14:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 14:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 15:52 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-03-11 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 17:10 ` Gregor Zattler [this message]
2023-03-11 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 18:35 ` Gregor Zattler
2023-03-11 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 12:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-13 12:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-14 14:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-14 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-14 15:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-14 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 10:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-16 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 11:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-16 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-21 10:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-21 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 13:00 ` Po Lu
2023-03-11 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 13:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-11 13:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 21:30 ` Ergus
2023-03-11 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-21 7:11 ` Jean Louis
2023-03-21 7:27 ` Emanuel Berg
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