From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 19:31:31 +0000 Message-ID: <87jztsno4s.fsf@localhost> References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> <83pm3k2mj2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40150"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 18 21:32:01 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qX5CR-000AGT-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:31:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX5Bh-0006TD-3x; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX5Bf-0006Sg-RR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:31:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qX5Bd-0002n5-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:31:11 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 110D1240104 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:31:07 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1692387067; bh=7e6FwySJ8fRaKTR8Kd2F4FHre2E5IBs0w/4yeYTofSw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=QuaHNh5lJOyrq1jMSZj342GHXOgcAYgUIcKQ8jvR/nEBKuY3UUeGIknLE7zLOedZr IR0oQfFsWH0l5FTdjqluJRqkhhJTHTcHiUOPObKYuCnBf65Ce71Vbhrv1PMZ0n/dnt BdnRfYBTayYWHNYWHsKCVtvSy4rss5lJG945pNmphkKgJYHmliZPeWelBSNq5cogiT Wspe3k/UW8JPs50f1y8lhhs7geUHSjLbNqrXeDGJuqZJnI6PW54G0Ui5COT+yhV7S4 hLulDw4rabdLJz5VGqzKygYSgoZGb1Xcg7gm8SbIJWJwhjhnP2rol/FyR5Jlw6dpy0 RTWVB9qWo2Pcw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RSBn63nWkz9rxD; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:31:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83pm3k2mj2.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308901 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I was looking into the idea that we can get more help from Emacs >> contributors if we switch the format back from .org to .texi. > > I'd welcome such a change, FWIW. But how would Org benefit from it? For good reasons or not, we have already switched to .org format. And switching back now would require extra effort that needs to be justified. (Even without taking into account RMS' request). >> Having said that, RMS officially asked Org team to work towards allowing >> Org to become the new GNU documentation standard. >> https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87bkqx4jyg.fsf@localhost/ > ... > I don't know why Richard made that request. From my POV, switching > from Texinfo to _any_ significantly different markup has the > significant disadvantage that people who routinely improve our manuals > will have to learn a new language, and that will likely lower their > motivation. > > For better and for worse, Texinfo is our documentation system. It is > a good system, and is actively developed (version 7.1 will be released > soon), so abandoning it for something that is less familiar to those > who take care of the documentation is a net loss, IMO. We have enough > real problems on our hands to afford inventing new ones. Feel free to reply to RMS' email. I am sure that he had good reasons to make the official request. I am not in position to argue on his behalf. If you prefer, the same email is also on emacs-devel: https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/E1ocmvz-0002iB-2M@fencepost.gnu.org/ -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at