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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308923 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> This may be true in general, but not for Org development. >>> People contributing to the Org manual are expected to understand Org >>> markup. So, it is Texinfo that becomes the new language to learn and >>> that creates an extra contribution barrier. >> >> If the idea is that the main contributors to the Org documentation are >> Org users, and the rest of Emacs developers don't really count for >> this purpose, then why did you count the contributions of the latter >> to begin with? they should be immaterial for you, AFAIU. > > They are not immaterial. The work contributed to Org manual by Emacs > devs, even if small, is certainly appreciated. However, decision to > switch back to .texi is a major one and will affect all the > contributors, not just Emacs devs. Thus, I am trying to weight the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is Org not part of Emacs?