From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: acm@muc.de, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp?
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:36:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jzsypgqo.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qf8Dj-0000bH-PE@fencepost.gnu.org>
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > Because there are cases when `fboundp' should be checked at runtime.
> > For example, some parts of Org use `fboundp' to check if certain
> > third-party optional dependencies are loaded. If `fboundp' is resolved
> > at compile time, such checks will be broken.
>
> I am confident there is a convenient way to distinguish the cases
> where you want run-time tests from those where you would like
> compile-time tests. But I can't try to look for it until I see
> what the former cases look like. Can you show me an example?
Org mode uses `fboundp' check to fontify arbitrary source blocks:
#+begin_src language
...
#+end_src
The corresponding code does the following:
(defun org-src-font-lock-fontify-block (lang start end)
"Fontify code block between START and END using LANG's syntax.
This function is called by Emacs' automatic fontification, as long
as `org-src-fontify-natively' is non-nil."
...
(let ((lang-mode (org-src-get-lang-mode lang)))
(when (fboundp lang-mode)
<fontify using LANG-MODE's native fontification>
This cannot be optimized on compile time because we cannot know in
advance which languages are to be fontified by user.
Another example is Org mode optional inlinetask library "org-inlinetask".
When the library is loaded, certain constructs are parsed differently in
Org files:
(defun org-back-to-heading (&optional invisible-ok)
"Go back to beginning of heading or inlinetask."
(forward-line 0)
(or (and (org-at-heading-p (not invisible-ok))
(not (and (featurep 'org-inlinetask)
(fboundp 'org-inlinetask-end-p) ; <----
(org-inlinetask-end-p))))
This must also be a runtime check, because it is up to the users whether
this optional library is to be used or not.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-28 19:37 Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 19:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 20:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 21:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-31 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 7:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 10:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:02 ` tomas
2023-09-04 15:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-04 18:57 ` tomas
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 7:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-09-06 9:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-06 9:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-09 0:39 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 8:36 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-09-13 23:53 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-20 12:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 0:30 ` Why have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp, when we could make the existing code DTRT unchanged? Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 0:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-08 17:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-05 4:37 ` tomas
2023-09-05 5:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 6:28 ` tomas
2023-09-05 11:06 ` Adam Porter
2023-09-05 11:26 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-05 14:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-08 1:01 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-08 2:45 ` Po Lu
2023-09-10 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 8:14 ` Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 19:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-29 9:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-29 10:36 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 11:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-29 11:20 ` João Távora
2023-08-30 20:48 ` Sean Whitton
2023-08-30 20:59 ` João Távora
2023-09-02 23:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-09-03 0:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03 12:27 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 12:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 13:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 23:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-08-29 16:28 ` LdBeth
2023-08-29 20:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 10:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 17:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 18:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 18:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 15:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-02 19:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 4:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 10:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 11:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 13:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 19:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-02 19:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 19:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
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