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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fedc055c6d719e4c65749a43f1d11e11; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:33:58 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (martin rudalics's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:52:00 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22645 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic316-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.047, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323740 Archived-At: martin rudalics writes: >> What you describe makes sens for GUI frames, but seems to make little >> sense for TTY frames, because frame visibility situation there is much >> simpler. > > You mean because only one normal frame can be visible at any time. > However, child frames complicate the situation considerably because > Emacs itself has to take care of their visibility instead of the WM. > > For example, I can type into a GUI window text beneath a (small) child > frame as long as that child frame doesn't have focus. Emulating such > behavior with text emanating at the right of the child frame on a TTY > seems tricky at least. > > martin Most of the extant popup packages that exercise child frames also retain and reparent them across different parents, and as such, Gerd will need to implement reparenting.