From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 11:01:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87jzelobag.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87plodsjsd.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38790"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:LD8XyvzKMFTaa7sv7xlZVPHtnKo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 06 11:47:24 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sxNrH-0009xr-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 11:47:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxNqm-0007U5-8U; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 05:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxN8l-000236-2K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 05:01:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sxN8j-0000lo-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 05:01:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sxN8g-0009bR-V9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 11:01:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 05:46:50 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324353 Archived-At: Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > No. Any software that says that you have to read the manual > first is doomed to fail for most people. > > One of the best features of nano is that the important > keybindings are shown directly on the screen. > No documentation needed. > > We obviously can't have *no* explanation, but if people have > to read more than an 80x30 screen of explanations, it's > too much. +1 Very much so. > You miss people who want their editor to look cool. How it looks is a huge part of it. And it is not just superficial. We have trained eyes. If it looks good, it is good. This is like ... decoded automatically. So it should be good, and this should be reflected in that it also looks good. But you can also put some extra effort to make it look even better :) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal