From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oliver Scholz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customizing fontsets Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 02:33:03 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87isssswcg.fsf@ID-87814.user.dfncis.de> References: <200304260759.QAA08204@etlken.m17n.org> <200305010720.QAA14963@etlken.m17n.org> <87llxqorkr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051922552 7779 80.91.224.249 (3 May 2003 00:42:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat May 03 02:42:30 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Bl6k-00021J-00 for ; Sat, 03 May 2003 02:42:30 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Bl8X-0001h8-00 for ; Sat, 03 May 2003 02:44:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Bl7I-0004pg-05 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 20:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Bl6N-00046D-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 20:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Bl6F-00044F-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 20:42:00 -0400 Original-Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.65.60] helo=mail.gmx.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Bl5u-0003qC-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 May 2003 20:41:38 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 12193 invoked by uid 65534); 3 May 2003 00:41:37 -0000 Original-Received: from dialin-145-254-191-254.arcor-ip.net (EHLO HERMES) (145.254.191.254) by mail.gmx.net (mp003-rz3) with SMTP; 03 May 2003 02:41:37 +0200 Original-To: Alex Schroeder In-Reply-To: <87llxqorkr.fsf@gnu.org> (Alex Schroeder's message of "Fri, 02 May 2003 07:17:24 +0200") X-Attribution: os X-Face: "HgH2sgK|bfH$; PiOJI6|qUCf.ve<51_Od(%ynHr?=>znn#~#oS>",F%B8&\vus),2AsPYb -n>PgddtGEn}s7kH?7kH{P_~vu?]OvVN^qD(L)>G^gDCl(U9n{:d>'DkilN!_K"eNzjrtI4Ya6;Td% IZGMbJ{lawG+'J>QXPZD&TwWU@^~A}f^zAb[Ru;CT(UA]c& User-Agent: Gnus/5.090019 (Oort Gnus v0.19) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13637 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13637 Alex Schroeder writes: > Oliver Scholz writes: [...] >> Currently I wonder what the default values should be that a >> "fontset-widget" should present to the user. The return-value of >> `fontset-info' is simply to large, I think. It seems weird that a user >> should specify a fontset covering two or three charsets in her .emacs >> or in .Xresources -- and is confronted with a list of dozens of >> charsets then, when she wants to customize it later. > > I don't understand. When you run M-x customize-fontset RET > fontset-default RET, you expect to see a widget that explains the > value of "fontset-default", and offer a way to change it. Thus, all > the info returned by (fontset-info "fontset-default") must be visible > and editable at some point.[...] To give an example: I have the following in my .emacs (simplified): (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec "\ -b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-fontset-egoge,\ mule-unicode-0100-24ff:-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1") Now, if I'd do `M-x custimize-fontset RET fontset-egoge RET', I'd expect to see something like this: Family: [b&h-lucidatypwriter ] [INS] [DEL] Charset: [mule-unicode-0100-24ff ] Family: [fixed-medium ] Registry: [iso10646-1 [INS] But if we create this widget based on `fontset-info', I'd see a list of dozens of charsets and character ranges. Have a look at it with `M-x describe-fontset RET fontset-egoge RET'. I'd say that this would be surprising, if not confusing for users that are not familiar with Emacs' concepts of charsets and fontsets. Oliver -- Oliver Scholz 14 Floréal an 211 de la Révolution Taunusstr. 25 Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité! 60329 Frankfurt a. M. http://www.jungdemokratenhessen.de Tel. (069) 97 40 99 42 http://www.jdjl.org