From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Icon update Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:09:01 -0700 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <87irpqgvlu.fsf@olgas.newt.com> References: <2014.1143413876@olgas.newt.com> <2055.1143413986@olgas.newt.com> <858xqvek7c.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4428D8BB.8050701@swipnet.se> <442A5D49.1000302@swipnet.se> <442B8350.3050902@swipnet.se> <87odznu3gp.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <442D1EEE.1000705@swipnet.se> <10546.1143826655@olgas.newt.com> <442E6FD5.4090406@swipnet.se> <7753.1143908567@olgas.newt.com> <4430C08E.3090705@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1144102250 6070 80.91.229.2 (3 Apr 2006 22:10:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 04 00:10:46 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQXFd-0000zO-OC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:10:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQXFd-00042X-5r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:10:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FQXFR-00042P-F1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FQXFP-000421-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:10:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQXFP-00041t-Gu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:10:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FQXIY-0002Pv-5v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:13:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FQXF4-0000rT-VF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:09:47 +0200 Original-Received: from h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.166.37.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:09:46 +0200 Original-Received: from wohler by h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:09:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 163 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:riuNDGVDMLh0T6r35BqtopOrhHE= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52383 Archived-At: --=-=-= "Jan D." writes: >>>>>> While updating the icons I was thinking of stock_previous, >>>>>> stock_next, >>>>>> and stock_up (from GNOME) to replace prev_node, next_node, and up_node >>>>>> respectively but wasn't sure how folks would respond to that. > > > I think the recent changes to the tool bar icons was so that > next_node, prev_node and up_node would clearly indicate that we are > moving in the node (i.e. document) and not in the history of previous > moves (see previous discussion on emacs-devel). I think the ones you > suggest are more of the history kind of icons. Really? It seems that stock_left and stock_right are usually used for history, not stock_next and stock_previous. > There are icons called > next-page and previous-page though (attached, no up-page seems to > exist). But these seems to be poorly supported by the themes I have > (no theme has customized those icons). Gnus and MH-E use the next-page icon to indicate paging down within the current article/mail message, *not* to the next article/mail message. I *think* that's the intent of this icon. In other words, stock_next-page is used to page within the current article/message/file/node while stock_next is used to go to the next article/message/file/node. You do point out that the arrows are used for history, but in MH-E, I'm using them to go to the next and previous message. Whoops. Now, I would suggest that we take stock_previous and stock_next icons from GNOME and use those in info and MH-E. Since the custom next-node and prev-node Emacs icons aren't supported by GTK at all, we're no worse off and buy consistency between Info, MH-E, and GNOME. 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I'll ask what the GNOME usability folks what they recommend we use for these functions and report back here. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --=-=-=--