From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:36:10 +0200 Message-ID: <87ir6fj72d.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189672640 20446 80.91.229.12 (13 Sep 2007 08:37:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, hannes@saeurebad.de To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 13 10:37:17 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVkCI-0003Fw-Ee for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:37:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVkCI-0001LM-44 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:37:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVkBX-000107-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:36:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVkBU-0000zb-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:36:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVkBU-0000zY-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-relay.sonofon.dk ([212.88.64.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVkBT-00063j-HR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 72527 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2007 08:36:11 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-lx.testafd.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 13 Sep 2007 08:36:11 -0000 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu\, 13 Sep 2007 10\:23\:50 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78754 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But still, if the user did type "emacs FILE", it is IMO bad behavior > to show them the splash screen instead. It looks like breaking the > contract with the users: they asked us to display the file, not the > splash screen. The fact that the file is displayed in half the frame, > and the fact that there's a Dismiss button, don't help much, IMO. Agree 100%. > There are a few other GUI programs out there which behave like this: > i.e. request me to click some button to make the splash screen go > away. They always annoy me. Me too -- it is typically those programs which ask you to register (for no good reason). I see no reason for Emacs to take that path. A simple notice in the message area (it may fill more than one line) when starting emacs with a file name (as someone suggested) seems fully adequate IMO. > If we don't restore the original Emacs behavior of making the splash > screen go away (which I think we should), at least let's pop it up in > a separate frame, so that it doesn't get in the way of the file the > user asked to edit. Only if it can automatically minimize and bury that frame :-) -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk