From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; scratch buffer initial text Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <87iqyh73o2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <004b01c8a00e$b2242a40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208390569 12504 80.91.229.12 (17 Apr 2008 00:02:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 17 02:03:25 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JmHb1-0000sL-Py for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:03:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JmHaM-00045f-MX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JmHaI-00045Q-RH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JmHaH-000454-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JmHaH-00044s-0r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmHaG-0000kJ-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JmHaE-00051o-Td for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmHaB-0000jl-Gu for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmHaB-0000jX-Bi for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CC334E4CC; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:58:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <004b01c8a00e$b2242a40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:10:35 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95378 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22052 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > This is the current text: > > ;; This buffer is for notes you don't want to save, and for Lisp evaluation. > ;; If you want to create a file, visit that file with C-x C-f, > ;; then enter the text in that file's own buffer. > > For newbies, it's not clear that you can "visit that file" for a file > that does not yet exist. Also, the last part about "file's own buffer" > is not clear. And the emphasis should be on Lisp evaluation here and > the fact that this buffer is not saved. I don't think these phrases are prone to confusion. Anyway, new users are now presented with the fancy startup screen, not the scratch buffer. Let's not worry about this.