From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; [nxml] BOM and utf-8 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:19:28 +0900 Message-ID: <87iqxcfdm7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87od75kt78.fsf@pdrechsler.de> <87mymofip6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878wy8ny36.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211083704 13743 80.91.229.12 (18 May 2008 04:08:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 04:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, patrick@pdrechsler.de, Miles Bader To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 18 06:09:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JxaCg-0002eW-5B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 06:08:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54470 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JxaBw-0003ji-CG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:08:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JxaBs-0003jd-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:08:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JxaBq-0003hD-GK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:08:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36592 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JxaBq-0003h1-94 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:08:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:45437) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JxaBq-00010d-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:08:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:36500) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JxaAh-0000qr-Eh for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:06:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JxaBm-0000zD-5Q for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:08:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:56583) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JxaBh-0000x0-67; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:07:57 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7D58007; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:07:55 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C12FC1A25C3; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:19:28 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97349 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22369 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'm not sure you are barking the right tree. AFAIK, Microsoft doesn't > use UTF-8 at all, they use UTF-16 (where a BOM is generally > necessary). They do use UTF-8 in some text formats, at least Notepad and Wordpad used to produce BOM-prefixed UTF-8 for "text" and (IIRC) UTF-16 for "Unicode text".