From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Flipping url-show-status default Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:50:38 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87iq1jigo1.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87fwwpkchk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sk0phicy.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d3rsk5m4.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286110258 18120 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2010 12:50:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:50:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 03 14:50:56 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2O1n-0001ng-A0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:50:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35359 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P2O1m-0005vR-Th for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:50:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56603 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P2O1h-0005vG-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:50:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P2O1f-0000Vg-Al for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:50:48 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:36376) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P2O1f-0000Va-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 08:50:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P2O1d-0001ma-7c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:50:45 +0200 Original-Received: from c-24-14-16-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([24.14.16.248]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:50:45 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-24-14-16-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:50:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-14-16-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dPiggOG5Q+gnBrTCVCjc5A3I438= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131285 Archived-At: On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:21:59 -0400 James Cloos wrote: >>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov writes: TZ> If you're loading a large file, yes (in the download manager, not in TZ> the main window). But the vast majority of use cases for HTTP are TZ> tiny files and a progress bar for each one would be pointless. TZ> Google Chrome, for instance, tells you it's loading the page, but TZ> not each element within it. There is no progress bar. JC> Chrome is not friendly. TZ> Mozilla Firefox shows a tiny unobstrusive inaccurate progress bar for TZ> the whole page in the lower left corner. JC> And the biggest change the ff nuts did to Mozilla was to ruin the UI. I think you're underestimating the amount of time and expertise that went into the Chrome and Firefox UI design. They are quite good. JC> But when one is behind a tiny pipe (a straw, if you will) detailed JC> progress info is imperative. JC> My preference is sequential pipelined downloads, with n/m file count an JC> percentage of current file progress info (%age can be either numeric or JC> graphic). An SVG icon can display all this. I'll try to put something together. Ted