From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Silk icon set for Gnus and synchronizing it into Emacs Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: <87ipv8pcc8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87sjugi4rc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87aaglsvjk.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lj05ohcf.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fwqdk7j7.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300993917 14732 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2011 19:11:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 24 20:11:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2pwl-0003p4-DM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:11:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43846 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q2ps4-0007dI-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:07:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35012 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q2pru-0007aW-L6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:06:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2prt-0002Dq-Eq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:06:50 -0400 Original-Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]:57703) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2prt-0002Dm-Cx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:06:49 -0400 Original-Received: from furball (dhcp128036014187.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2OJ6mF0012662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 10778160788; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:06:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87fwqdk7j7.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:37:16 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.132.50.146 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:137645 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > There's two issues. One, Gnome themes are meant for system > appearance, NOT for applications... Two, the standard Gnome icons are > pretty comprehensive... but they require Gnome. I think we can do > better when Gnome is not installed or available. We may have a slight difference of objectives here. In the past, we added icons to etc/images as and when various parts of Emacs require them. These icons were taken, partly for convenience, from Gnome. Later, Jan added support for redirecting to the system-installed Gnome theme icons, so that Emacs will look nicer on systems where Gnome is present. So, the images that we distribute with Emacs are "the images that Emacs needs". If Gnus or any other package in Emacs needs extra *specific* icons, by the way, we should not hesitate to add them to etc/images. If I understand you correctly, you want something different: for Emacs to provide a complete set of images that arbitrary Emacs applications might need. While I agree that Emacs programmers might be happy with the easy availability of such icons, adding hundreds of files to the Emacs tarfile, not directly used by Emacs, strikes me as wasteful. People make jokes about the Emacs operating system, but in truth we've placed a lot of emphasis on using existing operating system resources. Icon sets are an operating system resource. That's why I was talking about extending x-gtk-stock-map to other platforms---the idea is to provide a cross-platform solution for Emacs applications to access the operating system's icons. Although adding Silk as an ELPA package is tempting, but I'm not certain. Suppose a package wants one single icon from Silk. If it depends on the Silk package, installing it means also downloading and installing the hundreds of Silk icons, which is, again, wasteful. Or is the idea to make Silk an optional dependency, so that the package will display icons only if Silk is installed?