From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display-buffer-alist simplifications Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:44:50 +0900 Message-ID: <87ipqlpm31.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87mxgem09k.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2A7EBD.7050300@gmx.at> <87livooqt6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2B158B.1080101@gmx.at> <87wrf8iyse.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2BEED2.5040608@gmx.at> <8739hvu6lh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2C50E6.3020103@gmx.at> <878vrnweju.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2D34D7.4040002@gmx.at> <87r55cjvef.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87sjpsnerd.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87d3gvqhkd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874o26rgq6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87zkjxq2zl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8362mleg0s.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311925498 25253 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2011 07:44:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 29 09:44:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qmhkb-0001fk-JQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:44:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43663 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qmhkb-00040O-6s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:44:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45317) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmhkY-00040G-JM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:44:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmhkX-0004WB-MQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:38396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QmhkU-0004VV-VK; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B123FA0727; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:44:43 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B5381A26F8; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:44:51 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8362mleg0s.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.93a under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" cd1f8c4e81cd XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142480 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Now you are the one being disrespectful. I've been release manager and the closest thing XEmacs has to a head maintainer for a decade. Of course I understand the issues you're talking about. Everything you mention is a good reason for being reluctant to consider, and even more reluctant to execute, a reversion of a feature. I did not and do not deny that. Nevertheless, the possibility remains. > > Anyway, the word "experiment" is appropriate until you propose a more > > accurate one that takes into account both the maintainers' approval > > and the uncertainty of success. > > The point is that certainty of success should be quite high as a > prerequisite for approving such significant features for a merge. Certainty is not "high" or nor even "quite high". Certainty is an absolute, no differences from expectation allowed. If you are not certain of the outcome of an action, then ... what do you call that action?