From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:04:38 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ip0q1i49.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8738s087wj.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo6mjv4s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871u7gavwx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87obaj39sc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874ncbhsnv.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372950298 20814 80.91.229.3 (4 Jul 2013 15:04:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:04:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 04 17:05:00 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uul5f-0005I4-Oh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:04:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58151 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uul5e-0002cW-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:04:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41392) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uul5a-0002c9-N2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uul5Z-0001ND-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:04:54 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38957) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uul5Y-0001N4-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:04:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uul5V-00054Z-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:04:49 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.93.34.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:04:49 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:04:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 53 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:y/Nkp/Y5uCdvPPIxnUuRKeoLz9Y= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161528 Archived-At: On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 05:55:52 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> emacs -Q >> C-x C-f http://www.gnu.org >> I see the HTML code verbatim. SM> That's arguably right. >> The buffer is on Org mode. (This is a buglet). SM> Actually, it's the main problem: url-handler-mode only affects the way SM> files are accessed, but not the way we try to find/guess meta-data, so SM> the HTTP header's info (mostly Content-Type:) is completely ignored and SM> instead we rely on the URL itself via auto-mode-alist. SM> It would be nice to extend url-handler-mode so that the meta-info from SM> things the transfer protocol gets preserved and used to choose the SM> major mode. I would rather just open URLs the same way consistently with `eww' than try to guess what treatment each one merits. `eww' or other web browsers should DTRT once they get the content and the headers. >> ISTM the magic glue to render - I used shr-render-buffer - is >> missing. SM> This is yet another needed change, which is to make it show a rendering, SM> just like opening a PDF file gives us the rendering (via doc-view) SM> by default. Opening a HTML *file* should open it as a file, and rendering should be easily accessible in a menu (through `shr' or whatever). A PDF is not the same use case, because viewing and editing a binary PDF as a file is pretty useless. Opening a URL may produce HTML or something else, but there's no editing model here--you can't write back a URL (yeah, there's PUT, and for file: URLs you can open the actual file, but let's stick to the common case). So I think it makes sense to go straight to `eww' for that case: opening a URL with `C-x C-f'. Like I said, it's DWIMmery. There will be a small percentage of users unhappy with it, who will want to just view the file, and we should make that easy (I guessed `find-file-literally' incorrectly but it can be something simple to set in `url-handler-mode' defcustoms). The key thing is that there are no command names to discover--opening a URL Just Works. Any of the developers can make the change easily but it's a pretty major change and that's why we're discussing it instead of just doing it. I hope you agree with me. Ted