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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:04:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 523ED74D.4030205@online.de

Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de> writes:

> Am 22.09.2013 08:18, schrieb JMorte:
>> On reddit:
>>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1mt8a5/
>> nearly_everyone_who_is_new_to_emacs_hates_it/
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Below some extracts from this source considered helpful:
>
> I found my way to Emacs after having spent some time with Sublime Text
> 2. It took me a good bit of perseverance and several sallies at Emacs
> before I was finally able to find my footing. I should note that this
> difficulty was in spite of my already having a basic familiarity with
> Scheme (enough to make sense of simple init file hackery) and already
> being someone who spends countless hours seeking out and implementing
> tiny customizations (e.g., Stylish, Pentadactyle, Quicksilver,
> KeyRemap4MakBook––caps lock to ctrl! right shift to forward delete!
> space+j,k,l,i to arrows!––and a few other utilities of that sort). Of
> course, my fiddling is small-time dabbling compared to proper
> optimizers, but the fact that an interested, reasonably capable person
> such as myself was put off of Emacs 4 or 5 times before finally
> finding my groove should count as evidence for your premise.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> The most formidable barrier I encountered when trying to pick up Emacs
> was simply the keyboard navigation. I have been cultivating a
> repertoire of key-chording for fifteen years or so, and virtually none
> of my habituated cords translate into the default Emacs bindings. When
> I first opened up the editor and tried to start using it a bit, I felt
> hobbled and constrained. I am 100% sold on the theoretical and
> practical virtues of Emacs, but I think it's a serious flaw that the
> software doesn't lend itself to effective use as a basic text editor
> straight out of the box. Really, why should I have to read a tutorial
> that forces me to use strange and awkward key-bindings just to figure
> out how to move the cursor around the screen effectively and scroll
> the window?! Since Emacs' essential strength lies in its
> extensibility, I think its built-in intro should instead start by
> offering up a menu of common key binding schemas.

That's funny.   I've switched to emacs after having spent a lot of time
with other editors of all kinds, and notably before emacs a long period
with vi, and I had no such problem in starting wiht emacs.

I must be a genius,  or is it really that the level has dropped as much
as it is told to have dropped?

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__
http://www.informatimago.com/




  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-22 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-22  6:18 Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience JMorte
2013-09-22 11:41 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-22 16:04   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2013-09-22 17:27     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-09-22 18:03       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-09-22 18:29         ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-22 19:54       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-09-22 17:50     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-09-22 17:53       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-22 19:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-22 22:21         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-09-22 23:59           ` Jay Belanger
2013-09-23  0:18             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23  0:28               ` Jay Belanger
2013-09-23  6:03               ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23  7:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23  7:30                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23  8:20                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23  8:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23  9:26                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23  9:30                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23  9:41                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23 14:04                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-23 14:23                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-24 13:10                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-09-24 13:14                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-24 17:28                         ` Davis Herring
2013-09-23  6:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 10:29                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 11:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 11:40                     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 11:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 13:43                         ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 14:21                           ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-23 14:31                             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 14:49                               ` Alp Aker
2013-09-24 12:35                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-24 14:11                                   ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-24 14:21                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-24 17:31                                       ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-24 17:48                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-24 18:06                                           ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-24 19:21                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-25 15:42                                           ` chad
2013-09-25 16:32                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 14:37                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-24 12:36                             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 16:59                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-09-23  5:10           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-09-24  8:39             ` Juri Linkov
2013-09-23  6:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-24 12:55             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-09-22 15:32 ` Drew Adams

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