From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:04:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 523ED74D.4030205@online.de
Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de> writes:
> Am 22.09.2013 08:18, schrieb JMorte:
>> On reddit:
>>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1mt8a5/
>> nearly_everyone_who_is_new_to_emacs_hates_it/
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Below some extracts from this source considered helpful:
>
> I found my way to Emacs after having spent some time with Sublime Text
> 2. It took me a good bit of perseverance and several sallies at Emacs
> before I was finally able to find my footing. I should note that this
> difficulty was in spite of my already having a basic familiarity with
> Scheme (enough to make sense of simple init file hackery) and already
> being someone who spends countless hours seeking out and implementing
> tiny customizations (e.g., Stylish, Pentadactyle, Quicksilver,
> KeyRemap4MakBook––caps lock to ctrl! right shift to forward delete!
> space+j,k,l,i to arrows!––and a few other utilities of that sort). Of
> course, my fiddling is small-time dabbling compared to proper
> optimizers, but the fact that an interested, reasonably capable person
> such as myself was put off of Emacs 4 or 5 times before finally
> finding my groove should count as evidence for your premise.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> The most formidable barrier I encountered when trying to pick up Emacs
> was simply the keyboard navigation. I have been cultivating a
> repertoire of key-chording for fifteen years or so, and virtually none
> of my habituated cords translate into the default Emacs bindings. When
> I first opened up the editor and tried to start using it a bit, I felt
> hobbled and constrained. I am 100% sold on the theoretical and
> practical virtues of Emacs, but I think it's a serious flaw that the
> software doesn't lend itself to effective use as a basic text editor
> straight out of the box. Really, why should I have to read a tutorial
> that forces me to use strange and awkward key-bindings just to figure
> out how to move the cursor around the screen effectively and scroll
> the window?! Since Emacs' essential strength lies in its
> extensibility, I think its built-in intro should instead start by
> offering up a menu of common key binding schemas.
That's funny. I've switched to emacs after having spent a lot of time
with other editors of all kinds, and notably before emacs a long period
with vi, and I had no such problem in starting wiht emacs.
I must be a genius, or is it really that the level has dropped as much
as it is told to have dropped?
--
__Pascal Bourguignon__
http://www.informatimago.com/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-09-22 16:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-22 6:18 Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience JMorte
2013-09-22 11:41 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-22 16:04 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2013-09-22 17:27 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-09-22 18:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-09-22 18:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-22 19:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-09-22 17:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-09-22 17:53 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-22 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-22 22:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-09-22 23:59 ` Jay Belanger
2013-09-23 0:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 0:28 ` Jay Belanger
2013-09-23 6:03 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 7:30 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23 8:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 8:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 9:26 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 9:41 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-23 14:04 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-23 14:23 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-09-24 13:10 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-09-24 13:14 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-09-24 17:28 ` Davis Herring
2013-09-23 6:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 10:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 11:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 11:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-23 13:43 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 14:21 ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-23 14:31 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 14:49 ` Alp Aker
2013-09-24 12:35 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-24 14:11 ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-24 14:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-24 17:31 ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-24 17:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-24 18:06 ` Jan Djärv
2013-09-24 19:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-25 15:42 ` chad
2013-09-25 16:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-24 12:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-09-23 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2013-09-23 5:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-09-24 8:39 ` Juri Linkov
2013-09-23 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-24 12:55 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-09-22 15:32 ` Drew Adams
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