From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: E Sabof Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...)) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:52:13 +0000 Message-ID: <87ioseriua.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r47bi1e5.fsf@yandex.ru> <52F96284.50507@yandex.ru> <52FAE12B.6060101@yandex.ru> <52FC3BEE.60604@yandex.ru> <52FCD2B4.5080006@yandex.ru> <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <83txc1bl83.fsf@gnu.org> <5300189A.9090208@yandex.ru> <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392576743 25089 80.91.229.3 (16 Feb 2014 18:52:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 16 19:52:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WF6pK-0002Cq-CK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:52:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34643 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF6pJ-0001qN-R9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:52:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF6pC-0001qF-2b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:52:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF6p6-0001vy-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]:32908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF6p6-0001vo-H4; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id u57so9882363wes.41 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:52:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=V0A4kUffgcrcJ/gyNEBToo2Il6mIaOesu4v+Bm8Lm7c=; b=LnTln+EMh1+6XlMK8z/VKmqb6zu2hFnU/hl20gfa667EyjOj6GolpvgT5230PrTg+n YWrVZr13/+2bGSr6PiTLo+aSUV03xfjHYawlkKT52UKaVrthLnErPoyKqaBN+e+XB7TB 4AalwERVf5fwtJb+qwYAkknyn1/TiyAU5XOuVtTRbqoOOlUj3WKor0W361lOcuNZ0i2c Q/d2JGyNwioCXNmoCqYAZYZWAs8awULh62U4P+YFBWb6QxNLhgoxJdy0Adzi43z0/EP6 wyCoOEsXXVHhmLsCjBNgFnMsxvJo5Q+Spf6T+K5YpLVzCwd4gUQeoHqMlupRzZmGv2tO LuWw== X-Received: by 10.180.84.73 with SMTP id w9mr9791993wiy.58.1392576735135; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:52:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ubuntu ([2.218.154.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jd2sm25027407wic.9.2014.02.16.10.52.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:52:14 -0800 (PST) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.9.6pre2; emacs 24.3.50.4 In-reply-to: <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169659 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Then the immediate task would be to make it simpler to set up and > suitable for those languages. _That_ would really move Emacs forward, > towards a point where, hopefully, it will once again be relevant for > modern development paradigm and provide what programmers expect. > I couldn't agree more. Trying to find a decent snippet/package, in a complex and unfamiliar enviroment, is far from a pleasant experience. And if the no choice is pre-made, that's what every newcomer has to do. And if the choice turns out to be wrong, changing "bash" to "ksh", is not any harder than changing nil to "ksh". Evgeni