From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:50:54 +0100 Message-ID: <87iokmxsn5.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87ha06zffn.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <83mw9y3302.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410961918 22505 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 13:51:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nic Ferrier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 15:51:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFeA-00067i-Lb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:51:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45184 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFeA-0003hu-BF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:51:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFdW-0002mI-A8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:51:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFdR-000548-Q3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:59083) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFdL-00051k-EX; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:50:59 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFdG-0005OH-EW; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:50:54 +0100 Original-Received: from jangai.ncl.ac.uk ([10.66.67.223] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XUFdG-0007gm-DX; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:50:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83mw9y3302.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:22:53 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174423 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Nic Ferrier >> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:53:16 +0100 >> >> I hope the tooling will bring more people which will re-energize the >> current community and add positivity. > > Sorry, but I will believe it when I see it. When I started coding clojure a couple of years ago, I went through a process of rediscovering the state of the art in Emacs even though I have been using it for 20 years; not just the Clojure specific stuff, but things like magit. In terms of tooling, I would argue strongly that package.el and more recently MELPA stable have made a significant difference to the community. It is now incredibly easy for me to update one of my packages, do a release and have it in peoples hands. I write code in the first instance for my own benefit. Decreasing the additional effort that I need to make to release it to others is an important contribution. I am with Nic; I think it's already happening. Phil