From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic loading progress Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:52:30 +0900 Message-ID: <87iof2lapd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <54D80098.3020209@cs.ucla.edu> <54D85304.1030600@cs.ucla.edu> <54D9AC29.2020603@cs.ucla.edu> <54DA8539.1020905@cs.ucla.edu> <87zj8ktq8f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <54DD6413.1000403@cs.ucla.edu> <83wq3m436s.fsf@gnu.org> <54DDEB4D.5040300@dancol> <83egpt4zz6.fsf@gnu.org> <54DE12E9.5040606@dancol.org> <85twypiiug.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83zj8g3n16.fsf@gnu.org> <857fvkik49.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83lhk0wkfl.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2zkwig5.fsf@gnu.org> <85k2zkgg8t.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83bnkvuhop.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424062391 29522 80.91.229.3 (16 Feb 2015 04:53:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 16 05:53:03 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YNDg7-0008Ob-1d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 05:53:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37544 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNDg6-0002ZS-BJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:53:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNDft-0002YV-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:52:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNDft-0002BO-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:52:49 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:35934) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNDfo-00027o-74; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:52:44 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B27C1C38A0; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:52:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0DD6F1A26E3; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:52:31 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <83bnkvuhop.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:183141 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Look at the modules on the branch to see where this is going. It > certainly contradicts your "no need to know about internals of Lisp > objects" concept. No, it simply means that the current modules are programmed by people who know about dlopen and Emacs internals and have not thought about designing a runtime environment for the modules. Daniel's proposal makes a lot of sense, and is better than the current S?XEmacs design.