From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:13:43 +0200 Message-ID: <87io6dev2w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444547642 13723 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2015 07:14:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 09:14:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlApU-0005f1-1y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:14:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47439 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlApT-0006KV-9a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:13:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44503) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlApH-0006KN-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:13:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlApG-0000dq-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:13:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlApE-0000de-Hn; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:13:44 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53358 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlApD-0005yz-RS; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:13:44 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 71C60E13B5; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:13:43 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Tom's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2015 06:49:06 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191196 Archived-At: Tom writes: > Richard Stallman gnu.org> writes: >> >> Naturally -- because I think freedom is more important than technical >> progress. Proprietary software offers plenty of technical "progress", >> but since I won't surrender my freedom to use it, as far as I'm >> concerned it is no progress at all. > > Then there is no sense talking about competing with IDEs. Under the premise that Emacs' only user is Richard, this is not a competition. > IDEs provide cutting edge features in the areas of completion and > refactoring and most users will only choose Emacs over an IDE if it > provides a a comparable level of these features. Emacs will rarely ever be "cutting edge" but that does not mean that there is no point in improving it. And the features with which proprietary software is competing among its ilk are certainly something worthwhile to consider for such improvement. > Most users won't switch just because of the freedom aspect. They will > switch if Emacs is at least as good in these areas as their IDEs, so > if competing is the goal then catching up with popular IDEs > technically is unaviodable. Competing is not the goal. Improving Emacs is. There are a number of areas in which Emacs is so much different than other systems that there is no competition at all. But that does not mean that those areas are not worth improving for improvement's sake. -- David Kastrup