From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolaus Rath Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201130 Archived-At: On Mar 07 2016, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> When I submitted my first Emacs patch, I was astonished when I was asked >> to re-submit with my commit message essentially duplicated in the >> ChangeLog. > > I can't remember ever asking this kind of duplication. We used to > duplicate the ChangeLog-info in the ChangeLog file and in the commit > message (tho we stopped doing it a year ago), but we never asked for it > to be duplicated in the email messages that submits a patch. > > So I have the impression that I'm misunderstanding you. Could you > describe more precisely the kind of duplication you're talking about? No, you understood me correctly. However, I've just looked this up again and it turns out I was actually submitting a patch to Gnus, not Emacs. It was eventually committed by Eric Abrahamsen to the Gnus git repo, who first asked me to re-submit my patch with a commit message that was formatted like a Changelog entry, and to duplicate the message in the ChangeLog itself. It seemed to me that he considered that a questionable practice himself, but said it was obligatory because Gnus closely followed the Emacs standards here. Unfortunately that discussion never made it into the bug (http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D20956), so I'm paraphrasing from memory. But I'm pretty sure I'm remembering correctly, because I was so surprised by this. Best, -Nikolaus --=20 GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F =C2=BBTime flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.=C2= =AB