From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visit New File menu item Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:18:45 +0000 Message-ID: <87io0su08q.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87oaaldk94.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87r3fhoslg.fsf@fastmail.fm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457734760 28043 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2016 22:19:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Joost Kremers , John Wiegley , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 11 23:19:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeVOn-0007WG-02 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:19:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57955 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeVOm-0004aX-6e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:19:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49842) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeVOY-0004aQ-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:18:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeVOX-0002b6-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:18:54 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:53157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeVOR-0002WN-Aj; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:18:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=TZYZ48Db3ibVjrx1Y9LIEu1hg/nYEdQFLet6fIofbrw=; b=SjibmYKT0F6D+sm7B/RuDM7672 RwmFjervYnvBcDvWVi7iAUmplxXvnl6I0pbh+2yLpsui3xECKsewoHes55WHRrbJPxYZPZcgsB9xN K5mUWlHXqUwfX2ZiTJEzGVM2ysw2UG2alFVJiGU4dBghE6gyK++3w6PGCHYQRm1FA8rq8y4HmqkK8 PthVVf+MzCsunIWDS9Gt97RV3ykuQ1dj26nDe8MZ4Dcob77zANmUvorH/fUUhJusJAIJ3ervcaQYq 42iKlpxlGP2NVEqqd/oJhmvAOnKOZ1vwKoiEnIizlNpuePSV1fJjj/zHQtqld3+6pBJFDJtEcs5EJ g54xf+6w==; Original-Received: from cpc1-benw10-2-0-cust373.gate.cable.virginm.net ([77.98.219.118]:59824 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1aeVOQ-001cKb-Kh; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 22:18:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:50:45 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201499 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Wouldn't "Create New File" make more sense? Or simply "New File"? >> >> I agree, "Visit New File" is somewhat bizarre, and I'm not even entirely >> sure what it should mean. "Create New File" is obvious. > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-10/msg00555.html > > And other posts in that thread. And there have been other threads > that painted this particular bike shed. I am neither unsurprised to find that it has been discussed before, nor surprised that some one remembers. I'm having a go at writing a tutorial, and in the section on files, the first thing I hit is trying to explain what "visit" means. > Not that we can't give it another coat of paint - after all, that > was 10 years ago. Blue with red spots would be good. Phil